Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: oldnet scripts splitting out from OpenRC

[Mike Frysinger <vapier@gentoo.org>]

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On Wednesday 24 April 2013 13:54:07 William Hubbs wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 01:34:36PM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> > On Wednesday 24 April 2013 13:23:23 William Hubbs wrote:
> > >  The issue is that OpenRC does not have any kind of dependency on
> > >  gentoo-oldnet at all. There will be a separate loopback script in
> > >  OpenRC so it is possible to run OpenRC on a system without the oldnet
> > >  or newnet scripts. In fact, this is a completely valid configuration.
> > > 
> > > OpenRC doesn't "link" to gentoo-oldnet in any way, so there is no
> > > dependency.
> > > 
> > > The way I read the dev manual [1], a newsitem and postinst messages are
> > > the way to go for somethinglike this.
> > 
> > it is reasonable to expect openrc updates to *not* break a system.  that
> > means people shouldn't be required to read a news/postinst message to
> > keep from killing things.
> > 
> > even then, a default Gentoo system should have networking support
> > available by default.  our manuals assume this, and people shouldn't
> > have to install a stage3 and then do `emerge gentoo-oldnet` just to have
> > that happen.  so keeping a dependency in openrc (perhaps initially hard,
> > or behind IUSE=+oldnet) makes sense.
> 
> I was planning on opening a bug before all of this hit stable to have
> releng add gentoo-oldnet to the stages when it does hit stable.

"adding to the stages" isn't a magic incantation :).  it's either part of 
@system, or it's a dependency in a package that is part of @system.  i don't 
think adding it straight to @system makes sense, and i don't think there's 
really an existing dependency other than openrc where this would be 
appropriate.

> if we keep a dependency for a while, even behind something like
> IUSE="+oldnet", when we drop it, people will still be hit if they do
> emerge --depclean before they emerge gentoo-oldnet.

i don't think we should drop it.  openrc is logically the best place imo.

i understand your position that openrc works just fine w/out these scripts.  
but i don't think that pure logical distinction is really necessary here.  if 
people really truly don't want it, they have a USE flag to turn it off.
-mike

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