From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5720F1381F3 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 17:34:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0A6F7E09E3; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 17:34:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F3E77E09B7 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 17:34:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vapier.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DA6D33DB6E for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 17:34:35 +0000 (UTC) From: Mike Frysinger Organization: wh0rd.org To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: oldnet scripts splitting out from OpenRC Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 13:34:36 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (Linux/3.8.3; KDE/4.6.5; x86_64; ; ) References: <20130424161606.GA1607@linux1> <51780F2D.7060007@gentoo.org> <20130424172323.GB2323@linux1> In-Reply-To: <20130424172323.GB2323@linux1> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart6492959.8kg0vKSUFi"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201304241334.37807.vapier@gentoo.org> X-Archives-Salt: 31adbeae-5b76-4c58-a858-5403004f0329 X-Archives-Hash: 6f7c00eeb7f5536eda931e5e5c167519 --nextPart6492959.8kg0vKSUFi Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wednesday 24 April 2013 13:23:23 William Hubbs wrote: > On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 12:58:21PM -0400, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: > > On 24/04/13 12:16 PM, William Hubbs wrote: > > > it has been suggested that gentoo's oldnet scripts be split out > > > into their own package separate from OpenRC so that they can be > > > developed independently. I am looking at doing this for OpenRC > > > 0.12, which I hope to release soon. > > >=20 > > > This means when you emerge or upgrade to openrc-0.12, the net.* > > > scripts will no longer be included. I am going to call the separate > > > package that includes these scripts gentoo-oldnet. > > >=20 > > > My plan is to write a newsitem when OpenRC 0.12 is released > > > telling users this and that they will have to emerge gentoo-oldnet > > > to get the gentoo networking scripts or turn on the newnet (maybe > > > I'll change this to net) use flag to get OpenRC's network scripts > > > installed and put ewarns in the ebuild if this use flag is turned > > > off. > > >=20 > > > I feel that a newsitem and ewarns in the OpenRC ebuild cover live > > > systems well. In a nutshell, users should pay attention to their > > > news items and ewarns. > > >=20 > > > On the other hand, some are suggesting that I should add a runtime > > > dependency to OpenRC so that it pulls in gentoo-oldnet. Since > > > OpenRC doesn't need gentoo-oldnet in order to run, I feel like this > > > would be abusing dependencies. > > >=20 > > > Does anyone have any thoughts? > >=20 > > Current users should be able to do a -uDN and still have their > > existing systems work as-is. Whether you do this via a static > > dependency or one controlled by a use flag (and be sure use flag > > defaults would have oldnet installed by default) is up to you. >=20 > The issue is that OpenRC does not have any kind of dependency on > gentoo-oldnet at all. There will be a separate loopback script in OpenRC > so it is possible to run OpenRC on a system without the oldnet or > newnet scripts. In fact, this is a completely valid configuration. >=20 > OpenRC doesn't "link" to gentoo-oldnet in any way, so there is no > dependency. >=20 > The way I read the dev manual [1], a newsitem and postinst messages are > the way to go for somethinglike this. it is reasonable to expect openrc updates to *not* break a system. that me= ans=20 people shouldn't be required to read a news/postinst message to keep from=20 killing things. even then, a default Gentoo system should have networking support available= by=20 default. our manuals assume this, and people shouldn't have to install a=20 stage3 and then do `emerge gentoo-oldnet` just to have that happen. so=20 keeping a dependency in openrc (perhaps initially hard, or behind=20 IUSE=3D+oldnet) makes sense. =2Dmike --nextPart6492959.8kg0vKSUFi Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAABAgAGBQJReBetAAoJEEFjO5/oN/WBd4gP/22W1s1njib39Tpfjd4gEqXQ EpfVzO05nYrMcVM0Lz8l7FYansmlBZWGoKcqDBCIeaXy28XTvcoeRzbNjSqnwJnK AT4d2ko/lS3j+0m41y8wk4PvsBuZmYQryDEFYh/0ImjR+SH9V8A4uG4g+IVVH/kx u2tYbYVIj1niycFnseCdhkchDAQhgnlj031+Gju/kFWvqb3vmNOhLUfc3riRaJSe zS9iBBQjQ4wyEpgPftnG4k4a1jKw3j0C9iItbVdBTJqf4m3Kt64+vPBCl9fuk1zr d7ZpgaRtw/nDmuPEdz2Asli5yJL9AuY4nJFGy1CXJzAQGz24hQuizYByWnV/f/dS GIo7nqjn9bdTHApQt1xnwwLU7wmhQwt5nAVbldFdomx4/6QOBSvH8pAP++FFo9jl h1tw4Ar5mtZNZBCb+VQB/8p+PfvXArw7SVxCDgYNSM2E+G/7i04gTUnC9EFj8fYg euFT17Worx37lUoOpu6/S+HAk+q7/OsPtg+cXNtv/U3zVHdiRUtYASvluONQwHPt 3grIZEjtrj/JMjtjUpRx4jMlmuc+jo4iV560ZDUMxSTnT3chZxVzBlUXQnzNI9qv oeJ0PyWq5ObjdKjalLErUAFFkL1A3Q9T7/mIQcKMds7Wq8lgpvuGGGc567NihRow dtzAmncYWgOoGd88YiyF =QUza -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart6492959.8kg0vKSUFi--