[gentoo-dev] news item -- baselayout-1.x deprecation final warning

[gentoo-dev] news item -- baselayout-1.x deprecation final warning

[William Hubbs]

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All,

We have continued support for baselayout-1 to baselayout-2/OpenRc
migration for almost two years now, so I think it is about time we kill
this off.

Here is the news item I want to send out on 10 Apr.

Let me know what you think.

Thanks,

William


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Title: baselayout-1.x deprecation final warning
Author: William Hubbs <williamh@gentoo.org>
Content-Type: text/plain
Posted: 2013-04-10
Revision: 1
News-Item-Format: 1.0
Display-If-Installed: <sys-apps/baselayout-2

WARNING! THIS NEWS ITEM REQUIRES IMMEDIATE ATTENTION!

On 28 Jun 2011, baselayout-2.x and OpenRC were first marked stable on
all supported architectures in Gentoo Linux.

Although we no longer support baselayout-1, we have continued support
for migration from baselayout-1 to baselayout-2 and OpenRc.

According to Gentoo policy, the support for migration from baselayout-1
to baselayout-2 could end on 28 Jun 2012, a year after OpenRc became
stable.

This is your final warning. OpenRc-0.11.8 will be the final release of
OpenRc to support migration from baselayout-1.

If you do not upgrade your systems to openrc-0.11.8 before it leaves the
tree, you may need to reinstall them.

For questions about how to migrate your system, see the OpenRC migration
guide [1].

[1] http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/openrc-migration.xml

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Re: [gentoo-dev] news item -- baselayout-1.x deprecation final warning

[Alex Xu]

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On 07/04/13 03:36 PM, William Hubbs wrote:
> According to Gentoo policy, the support for migration from baselayout-1
> to baselayout-2 could end on 28 Jun 2012, a year after OpenRc became
> stable.

"could end" sounds a bit awkward. Try "was slated to end" or perhaps
"could have ended".

Be more consistent: it's either "OpenRC", "OpenRc" (?) or "openrc".


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Re: [gentoo-dev] news item -- baselayout-1.x deprecation final warning

[Roy Bamford]

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On 2013.04.07 20:36, William Hubbs wrote:
> All,
> 
> We have continued support for baselayout-1 to baselayout-2/OpenRc
> migration for almost two years now, so I think it is about time we
> kill
> this off.
> 
> Here is the news item I want to send out on 10 Apr.
> 
> Let me know what you think.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> William
> 
> 

<quote>
If you do not upgrade your systems to openrc-0.11.8 before it leaves 
the tree, you may need to reinstall them.
</quote>

I think you mean

If you do not upgrade your systems to baselayout-2 and openrc-0.11.8 
before openrc-0.11.8 leaves the tree, you may need to reinstall them.

The problem is with baselayout-1 and that's what needs to be updated.
The "you may need to reinstall them" is a bit over the top.  You can 
always pick up the pieces with a liveCD.

Do you need to point out that the old (" ... ") syntax will no longer 
be supported, or do you intend to tolerate the baselayout-1 syntax in 
/etc/conf.d/net and friends a while longer.

A friendly link to the update guide 
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/openrc-migration.xml
may be in order too.

I've seen many users on baselayout-2 with baselayout-1 net files. This 
news item will bypass them.

-- 
Regards,

Roy Bamford
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Re: [gentoo-dev] news item -- baselayout-1.x deprecation final warning

[Alex Xu]

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Notably, NetworkManager generates old-style net files.

On 07/04/13 04:13 PM, Roy Bamford wrote:
> On 2013.04.07 20:36, William Hubbs wrote:
>> All,
>>
>> We have continued support for baselayout-1 to baselayout-2/OpenRc
>> migration for almost two years now, so I think it is about time we
>> kill
>> this off.
>>
>> Here is the news item I want to send out on 10 Apr.
>>
>> Let me know what you think.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> William
>>
>>
> 
> <quote>
> If you do not upgrade your systems to openrc-0.11.8 before it leaves 
> the tree, you may need to reinstall them.
> </quote>
> 
> I think you mean
> 
> If you do not upgrade your systems to baselayout-2 and openrc-0.11.8 
> before openrc-0.11.8 leaves the tree, you may need to reinstall them.
> 
> The problem is with baselayout-1 and that's what needs to be updated.
> The "you may need to reinstall them" is a bit over the top.  You can 
> always pick up the pieces with a liveCD.
> 
> Do you need to point out that the old (" ... ") syntax will no longer 
> be supported, or do you intend to tolerate the baselayout-1 syntax in 
> /etc/conf.d/net and friends a while longer.
> 
> A friendly link to the update guide 
> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/openrc-migration.xml
> may be in order too.
> 
> I've seen many users on baselayout-2 with baselayout-1 net files. This 
> news item will bypass them.
> 


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Re: [gentoo-dev] news item -- baselayout-1.x deprecation final warning

[William Hubbs]

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On Sun, Apr 07, 2013 at 04:37:42PM -0400, Alex Xu wrote:
> On 07/04/13 04:13 PM, Roy Bamford wrote:
> > On 2013.04.07 20:36, William Hubbs wrote:
> > If you do not upgrade your systems to openrc-0.11.8 before it leaves 
> > the tree, you may need to reinstall them.
> > </quote>
> > 
> > I think you mean
> > 
> > If you do not upgrade your systems to baselayout-2 and openrc-0.11.8 
> > before openrc-0.11.8 leaves the tree, you may need to reinstall them.
> > 
> > The problem is with baselayout-1 and that's what needs to be updated.
> > The "you may need to reinstall them" is a bit over the top.  You can 
> > always pick up the pieces with a liveCD.

That's why I said "may". I haven't attempted that migration manually, so
I don't know how easy or difficult it would be. You may be able to do
that, but you will be basically on your own to figure it out.

> > Do you need to point out that the old (" ... ") syntax will no longer 
> > be supported, or do you intend to tolerate the baselayout-1 syntax in 
> > /etc/conf.d/net and friends a while longer.
>
> Notably, NetworkManager generates old-style net files.

This issue with the conf.d/net syntax is a separate one and will be
handled later.

> > 
> > A friendly link to the update guide 
> > http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/openrc-migration.xml
> > may be in order too.

This is already there.

> > I've seen many users on baselayout-2 with baselayout-1 net files. This 
> > news item will bypass them.

That is ok, I am just talking about the automatic support for the
Migration.

William


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Re: [gentoo-dev] news item -- baselayout-1.x deprecation final warning

[Robin H. Johnson]

On Sun, Apr 07, 2013 at 04:06:40PM -0500, William Hubbs wrote:
> That's why I said "may". I haven't attempted that migration manually, so
> I don't know how easy or difficult it would be. You may be able to do
> that, but you will be basically on your own to figure it out.
I did it on a really old box yesterday.
It's a little bumpy since I can't reboot the box all yet, so it's not
entirely done.

 21:51:38 up 1035 days, 15:04,  2 users,  load average: 2.24, 1.70, 1.31

It went from sys-apps/baselayout-1.12.14-r1 to sys-apps/baselayout-2.1-r1.
Still has kernel 2.6.11, glibc-2.10.1-r1, sys-fs/udev-151-r4, sys-apps/coreutils-8.7

Rough guide:
1. Make your own /run and mount it beforehand.
2. Grab a list of ALL services that are running to a file. You won't be
   able to do this later.
3. Upgrade the package.
4. Update your configs, esp hwclock/clock, and ensure clocks are good.
5. echo default >/run/openrc/softlevel
6. For each service from #2, "touch /run/openrc/started/$SERVICE"
7. rc-update -u
8. Check that all your services are still good.

The kernel/udev/glibc/coreutils upgrade is going to be a little bit more
fun.

Disclaimer for the foolhardy: I have taken on consulting in the past on
upgrading ancient Gentoo servers to latest, with minimal downtime or
breakage; my record is a box with updates more than 6 years prior.

-- 
Robin Hugh Johnson
Gentoo Linux: Developer, Trustee & Infrastructure Lead
E-Mail     : robbat2@gentoo.org
GnuPG FP   : 11ACBA4F 4778E3F6 E4EDF38E B27B944E 34884E85

Re: [gentoo-dev] news item -- baselayout-1.x deprecation final warning

[William Hubbs]

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All,

here is the second draft. I am including updates from this thread as
well as a couple of my own.

Let me know what you think.

Thanks,

William


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Title: baselayout-1.x deprecation final warning
Author: William Hubbs <williamh@gentoo.org>
Content-Type: text/plain
Posted: 2013-04-10
Revision: 1
News-Item-Format: 1.0
Display-If-Installed: <sys-apps/baselayout-2

WARNING! THIS NEWS ITEM REQUIRES IMMEDIATE ATTENTION!

On 28 Jun 2011, baselayout-2.x and OpenRC were first marked stable on
all supported architectures in Gentoo Linux.

Although we no longer support baselayout-1.x, we have continued support
for migration from baselayout-1.x to baselayout-2.x and OpenRC.

According to Gentoo policy, the support for migration was slated to end
on 28 Jun 2012, a year after OpenRC was first marked stable.

This is your final warning. openrc-0.11.8 will be the final release of
OpenRC to support migration from baselayout-1.x.

If you do not upgrade your system to baselayout-2.x and openrc-0.11.8
before openrc-0.11.8 leaves the tree, you will have to perform the
migration manually when you upgrade or you will be left with an
unbootable system. Manual migration is not officially supported, and
could include fixing things with a live cd or re-installing your system.

For questions about how to migrate your system, see the OpenRC migration
guide [1].

[1] http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/openrc-migration.xml

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[gentoo-dev] Re: news item -- baselayout-1.x deprecation final warning

[Rich Freeman]

(apologies to those who got this twice - my MUA used a from address
that the list likely rejected instead of using the correct one which I
actually did select - Google needs to fix their GMail Android app)

On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 3:36 PM, William Hubbs <williamh@gentoo.org> wrote:
>
> We have continued support for baselayout-1 to baselayout-2/OpenRc
> migration for almost two years now, so I think it is about time we kill
> this off.

I would drop the first three paragraphs and the first sentence of the
fourth. Keep it to the news, not the justification.

Rich