[gentoo-dev] Last rites: media-tv/tvtime

[gentoo-dev] Last rites: media-tv/tvtime

[Markos Chandras]

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# Markos Chandras <hwoarang@gentoo.org> (22 Mar 2013)
# Fails with automake-1.12 (#424289)
# Problems with the alsa patches (#403389)
# Herd has not interest in it and needs a maintainer
# Removal in a month unless a new maintainer steps up
# and fix all the bugs
# Alternatives: media-tv/me-tv, media-tv/mythtv
media-tv/tvtime

- -- 
Regards,
Markos Chandras - Gentoo Linux Developer
http://dev.gentoo.org/~hwoarang
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[gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: media-tv/tvtime

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 23/03/13 01:15, Markos Chandras wrote:
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> # Markos Chandras <hwoarang@gentoo.org> (22 Mar 2013)
> # Fails with automake-1.12 (#424289)
> # Problems with the alsa patches (#403389)
> # Herd has not interest in it and needs a maintainer
> # Removal in a month unless a new maintainer steps up
> # and fix all the bugs
> # Alternatives: media-tv/me-tv, media-tv/mythtv
> media-tv/tvtime

These aren't alternatives (they're only dealing with digital TV, not 
analog.)  AFAIK, tvtime has no alternatives at all.  If it goes, analog 
TV users can't watch TV anymore :-/

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: media-tv/tvtime

[Markos Chandras]

On 24 March 2013 00:02, Nikos Chantziaras <realnc@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 23/03/13 01:15, Markos Chandras wrote:
>>
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>> # Markos Chandras <hwoarang@gentoo.org> (22 Mar 2013)
>> # Fails with automake-1.12 (#424289)
>> # Problems with the alsa patches (#403389)
>> # Herd has not interest in it and needs a maintainer
>> # Removal in a month unless a new maintainer steps up
>> # and fix all the bugs
>> # Alternatives: media-tv/me-tv, media-tv/mythtv
>> media-tv/tvtime
>
>
> These aren't alternatives (they're only dealing with digital TV, not
> analog.)  AFAIK, tvtime has no alternatives at all.  If it goes, analog TV
> users can't watch TV anymore :-/
>
>

Nothing I can do. It has no maintainer and quite a few outstanding
bugs. If people need it, they should probably move it to a local
overlay.

-- 
Regards,
Markos Chandras - Gentoo Linux Developer
http://dev.gentoo.org/~hwoarang

[gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: media-tv/tvtime

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 24/03/13 02:12, Markos Chandras wrote:
> On 24 March 2013 00:02, Nikos Chantziaras <realnc@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 23/03/13 01:15, Markos Chandras wrote:
>>>
>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>> Hash: SHA512
>>>
>>> # Markos Chandras <hwoarang@gentoo.org> (22 Mar 2013)
>>> # Fails with automake-1.12 (#424289)
>>> # Problems with the alsa patches (#403389)
>>> # Herd has not interest in it and needs a maintainer
>>> # Removal in a month unless a new maintainer steps up
>>> # and fix all the bugs
>>> # Alternatives: media-tv/me-tv, media-tv/mythtv
>>> media-tv/tvtime
>>
>>
>> These aren't alternatives (they're only dealing with digital TV, not
>> analog.)  AFAIK, tvtime has no alternatives at all.  If it goes, analog TV
>> users can't watch TV anymore :-/
>
> Nothing I can do. It has no maintainer and quite a few outstanding
> bugs. If people need it, they should probably move it to a local
> overlay.

Shouldn't this be marked as maintainer-needed instead of dropping it?

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: media-tv/tvtime

[Ben de Groot]

On 24 March 2013 09:19, Nikos Chantziaras <realnc@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 24/03/13 02:12, Markos Chandras wrote:
>>
>> On 24 March 2013 00:02, Nikos Chantziaras <realnc@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> AFAIK, tvtime has no alternatives at all.  If it goes, analog
>>> TV
>>> users can't watch TV anymore :-/
>>
>>
>> Nothing I can do. It has no maintainer and quite a few outstanding
>> bugs. If people need it, they should probably move it to a local
>> overlay.
>
>
> Shouldn't this be marked as maintainer-needed instead of dropping it?

If it didn't have unadressed open bugs. But as it is, it needs some
maintainer love, or otherwise tree-cleaning. Users who want to keep
this in portage need to step up for proxy-maintainership and address
the open bugs.

-- 
Cheers,

Ben | yngwin
Gentoo developer
Gentoo Qt project lead, Gentoo Wiki admin

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: media-tv/tvtime

[Markos Chandras]

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On Mar 24, 2013 1:19 AM, "Nikos Chantziaras" <realnc@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 24/03/13 02:12, Markos Chandras wrote:
>>
>> On 24 March 2013 00:02, Nikos Chantziaras <realnc@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 23/03/13 01:15, Markos Chandras wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> # Markos Chandras <hwoarang@gentoo.org> (22 Mar 2013)
>>>> # Fails with automake-1.12 (#424289)
>>>> # Problems with the alsa patches (#403389)
>>>> # Herd has not interest in it and needs a maintainer
>>>> # Removal in a month unless a new maintainer steps up
>>>> # and fix all the bugs
>>>> # Alternatives: media-tv/me-tv, media-tv/mythtv
>>>> media-tv/tvtime
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> These aren't alternatives (they're only dealing with digital TV, not
>>> analog.)  AFAIK, tvtime has no alternatives at all.  If it goes, analog
TV
>>> users can't watch TV anymore :-/
>>
>>
>> Nothing I can do. It has no maintainer and quite a few outstanding
>> bugs. If people need it, they should probably move it to a local
>> overlay.
>
>
> Shouldn't this be marked as maintainer-needed instead of dropping it?
>
>
How would that help fixing all the open bugs? Maintainer-needed@g.o is for
packages that have no maintainer. If they are broken we remove these as well

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[gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: media-tv/tvtime

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 24/03/13 12:01, Markos Chandras wrote:
>
> On Mar 24, 2013 1:19 AM, "Nikos Chantziaras" <realnc@gmail.com
> <mailto:realnc@gmail.com>> wrote:
>  >
>  > On 24/03/13 02:12, Markos Chandras wrote:
>  >>
>  >> On 24 March 2013 00:02, Nikos Chantziaras <realnc@gmail.com
> <mailto:realnc@gmail.com>> wrote:
>  >>>
>  >>> On 23/03/13 01:15, Markos Chandras wrote:
>  >>>>
>  >>>>
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>  >>>> # Markos Chandras <hwoarang@gentoo.org
> <mailto:hwoarang@gentoo.org>> (22 Mar 2013)
>  >>>> # Fails with automake-1.12 (#424289)
>  >>>> # Problems with the alsa patches (#403389)
>  >>>> # Herd has not interest in it and needs a maintainer
>  >>>> # Removal in a month unless a new maintainer steps up
>  >>>> # and fix all the bugs
>  >>>> # Alternatives: media-tv/me-tv, media-tv/mythtv
>  >>>> media-tv/tvtime
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>> These aren't alternatives (they're only dealing with digital TV, not
>  >>> analog.)  AFAIK, tvtime has no alternatives at all.  If it goes,
> analog TV
>  >>> users can't watch TV anymore :-/
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> Nothing I can do. It has no maintainer and quite a few outstanding
>  >> bugs. If people need it, they should probably move it to a local
>  >> overlay.
>  >
>  >
>  > Shouldn't this be marked as maintainer-needed instead of dropping it?
>  >
>  >
> How would that help fixing all the open bugs? Maintainer-needed@g.o is
> for packages that have no maintainer. If they are broken we remove these
> as well

Are there more then the two mentioned in the mask message?  Those two 
have fixes.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: media-tv/tvtime

[Markos Chandras]

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On 03/24/2013 12:36 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> On 24/03/13 12:01, Markos Chandras wrote:
>> 
>> On Mar 24, 2013 1:19 AM, "Nikos Chantziaras" <realnc@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:realnc@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 24/03/13 02:12, Markos Chandras wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> On 24 March 2013 00:02, Nikos Chantziaras <realnc@gmail.com
>> <mailto:realnc@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 23/03/13 01:15, Markos Chandras wrote:
>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> # Markos Chandras <hwoarang@gentoo.org
>> <mailto:hwoarang@gentoo.org>> (22 Mar 2013)
>>>>>> # Fails with automake-1.12 (#424289) # Problems with the
>>>>>> alsa patches (#403389) # Herd has not interest in it and
>>>>>> needs a maintainer # Removal in a month unless a new
>>>>>> maintainer steps up # and fix all the bugs #
>>>>>> Alternatives: media-tv/me-tv, media-tv/mythtv 
>>>>>> media-tv/tvtime
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> These aren't alternatives (they're only dealing with
>>>>> digital TV, not analog.)  AFAIK, tvtime has no alternatives
>>>>> at all.  If it goes,
>> analog TV
>>>>> users can't watch TV anymore :-/
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Nothing I can do. It has no maintainer and quite a few
>>>> outstanding bugs. If people need it, they should probably
>>>> move it to a local overlay.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Shouldn't this be marked as maintainer-needed instead of
>>> dropping it?
>>> 
>>> 
>> How would that help fixing all the open bugs?
>> Maintainer-needed@g.o is for packages that have no maintainer. If
>> they are broken we remove these as well
> 
> Are there more then the two mentioned in the mask message?  Those
> two have fixes.
> 
> 

And what if it breaks again in the future? Should we go over the same
discussion again?

- -- 
Regards,
Markos Chandras - Gentoo Linux Developer
http://dev.gentoo.org/~hwoarang
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: media-tv/tvtime

[Matt Turner]

On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 7:43 AM, Markos Chandras <hwoarang@gentoo.org> wrote:
> And what if it breaks again in the future? Should we go over the same
> discussion again?

Can't this be restated as "Shouldn't we tree clean it now since it
could have bugs in the future?"? Tree cleaning packages over future
hypothetical bugs seems like bad policy.

[gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: media-tv/tvtime

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 24/03/13 22:25, Matt Turner wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 7:43 AM, Markos Chandras <hwoarang@gentoo.org> wrote:
>> And what if it breaks again in the future? Should we go over the same
>> discussion again?
>
> Can't this be restated as "Shouldn't we tree clean it now since it
> could have bugs in the future?"? Tree cleaning packages over future
> hypothetical bugs seems like bad policy.

Well, even though I wasn't happy to see tvtime getting tree-cleaned, I 
understand that Gentoo doesn't work with hired packagers.  This isn't 
Ubuntu or RedHat Linux.  Gentoo packagers don't maintain what they're 
not interested in.

In the end it's another program that will end up in my ~/bin directory.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: media-tv/tvtime

[Markos Chandras]

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On Mar 24, 2013 8:51 PM, "Nikos Chantziaras" <realnc@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 24/03/13 22:25, Matt Turner wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 7:43 AM, Markos Chandras <hwoarang@gentoo.org>
wrote:
>>>
>>> And what if it breaks again in the future? Should we go over the same
>>> discussion again?
>>
>>
>> Can't this be restated as "Shouldn't we tree clean it now since it
>> could have bugs in the future?"? Tree cleaning packages over future
>> hypothetical bugs seems like bad policy.
>
>
> Well, even though I wasn't happy to see tvtime getting tree-cleaned, I
understand that Gentoo doesn't work with hired packagers.  This isn't
Ubuntu or RedHat Linux.  Gentoo packagers don't maintain what they're not
interested in.
>
> In the end it's another program that will end up in my ~/bin directory.
>
>

Why? Don't you want to work with me and maintain it together? Why keep it
working just for you?

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[gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: media-tv/tvtime

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 24/03/13 23:12, Markos Chandras wrote:
>
> On Mar 24, 2013 8:51 PM, "Nikos Chantziaras" <realnc@gmail.com
> <mailto:realnc@gmail.com>> wrote:
>  >
>  > On 24/03/13 22:25, Matt Turner wrote:
>  >>
>  >> On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 7:43 AM, Markos Chandras
> <hwoarang@gentoo.org <mailto:hwoarang@gentoo.org>> wrote:
>  >>>
>  >>> And what if it breaks again in the future? Should we go over the same
>  >>> discussion again?
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> Can't this be restated as "Shouldn't we tree clean it now since it
>  >> could have bugs in the future?"? Tree cleaning packages over future
>  >> hypothetical bugs seems like bad policy.
>  >
>  >
>  > Well, even though I wasn't happy to see tvtime getting tree-cleaned,
> I understand that Gentoo doesn't work with hired packagers.  This isn't
> Ubuntu or RedHat Linux.  Gentoo packagers don't maintain what they're
> not interested in.
>  >
>  > In the end it's another program that will end up in my ~/bin directory.
>  >
>  >
>
> Why? Don't you want to work with me and maintain it together? Why keep
> it working just for you?

I can do that.  Though the current ebuild seems to work just fine. 
There's no "alsa" USE flag and it builds with automake 1.13.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: media-tv/tvtime

[Markos Chandras]

On 25 March 2013 17:12, Nikos Chantziaras <realnc@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 24/03/13 23:12, Markos Chandras wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Mar 24, 2013 8:51 PM, "Nikos Chantziaras" <realnc@gmail.com
>> <mailto:realnc@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>  >
>>  > On 24/03/13 22:25, Matt Turner wrote:
>>  >>
>>  >> On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 7:43 AM, Markos Chandras
>> <hwoarang@gentoo.org <mailto:hwoarang@gentoo.org>> wrote:
>>  >>>
>>  >>> And what if it breaks again in the future? Should we go over the same
>>  >>> discussion again?
>>  >>
>>  >>
>>  >> Can't this be restated as "Shouldn't we tree clean it now since it
>>  >> could have bugs in the future?"? Tree cleaning packages over future
>>  >> hypothetical bugs seems like bad policy.
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > Well, even though I wasn't happy to see tvtime getting tree-cleaned,
>> I understand that Gentoo doesn't work with hired packagers.  This isn't
>> Ubuntu or RedHat Linux.  Gentoo packagers don't maintain what they're
>> not interested in.
>>  >
>>  > In the end it's another program that will end up in my ~/bin directory.
>>  >
>>  >
>>
>> Why? Don't you want to work with me and maintain it together? Why keep
>> it working just for you?
>
>
> I can do that.  Though the current ebuild seems to work just fine. There's
> no "alsa" USE flag and it builds with automake 1.13.
>
>

I don't know what you mean by this: "there is no alsa" use flag
~$ grep alsa tvtime-1.0.2_p20110131-r3.ebuild

http://dev.gentoo.org/~a3li/distfiles/${PN}-1.0.2-alsamixer-r1.patch
http://dev.gentoo.org/~a3li/distfiles/${PN}-1.0.2-alsa-r1.patch
http://dev.gentoo.org/~a3li/distfiles/${PN}-1.0.2-alsa-fixes.patch"
IUSE="alsa nls xinerama"
	alsa? ( media-libs/alsa-lib )
	if use alsa; then
		epatch "${DISTDIR}/${PN}-1.0.2-alsa-r1.patch"
		epatch "${DISTDIR}/${PN}-1.0.2-alsamixer-r1.patch"
		epatch "${DISTDIR}/${PN}-1.0.2-alsa-fixes.patch"

So there is an "alsa" use flag and it does apply quite a lot of
patches in there. So the open bug is not fixed yet. Could you have a
look?
As for the automate thing. Yes it builds with the latest one so I
closed the bug.

-- 
Regards,
Markos Chandras - Gentoo Linux Developer
http://dev.gentoo.org/~hwoarang

[gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: media-tv/tvtime

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 25/03/13 21:01, Markos Chandras wrote:
> On 25 March 2013 17:12, Nikos Chantziaras <realnc@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 24/03/13 23:12, Markos Chandras wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mar 24, 2013 8:51 PM, "Nikos Chantziaras" <realnc@gmail.com
>>> <mailto:realnc@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>   >
>>>   > In the end it's another program that will end up in my ~/bin directory.
>>>
>>> Why? Don't you want to work with me and maintain it together? Why keep
>>> it working just for you?
>>
>> I can do that.  Though the current ebuild seems to work just fine. There's
>> no "alsa" USE flag and it builds with automake 1.13.
>>
>>
>
> I don't know what you mean by this: "there is no alsa" use flag
> ~$ grep alsa tvtime-1.0.2_p20110131-r3.ebuild
>
> http://dev.gentoo.org/~a3li/distfiles/${PN}-1.0.2-alsamixer-r1.patch
> http://dev.gentoo.org/~a3li/distfiles/${PN}-1.0.2-alsa-r1.patch
> http://dev.gentoo.org/~a3li/distfiles/${PN}-1.0.2-alsa-fixes.patch"
> IUSE="alsa nls xinerama"
> 	alsa? ( media-libs/alsa-lib )
> 	if use alsa; then
> 		epatch "${DISTDIR}/${PN}-1.0.2-alsa-r1.patch"
> 		epatch "${DISTDIR}/${PN}-1.0.2-alsamixer-r1.patch"
> 		epatch "${DISTDIR}/${PN}-1.0.2-alsa-fixes.patch"
>
> So there is an "alsa" use flag and it does apply quite a lot of
> patches in there. So the open bug is not fixed yet. Could you have a
> look?

Hmm, indeed. I didn't actually read the ebuild before. I did:

   $ equery uses tvtime

and there's no alsa USE flag. Also, emerging tvtime with the flag 
enabled and then disabled, results in no changes. The flag is being 
ignored here?

Anyway, note that I cannot test whether the patches actually work at 
runtime or not. My TV card uses an SAA7130 chip with no internal audio 
cabality. Instead, it has a line-out jack, which I connect to the 
line-in of my sound card in order to get sound from it.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: media-tv/tvtime

[Samuli Suominen]

[ ... sorry for stealing this message from the thread, but had deleted 
earlier ones ... ]

There also seems to be issues with tvtime, udev, and /dev nodes for 
sound, at least according to user(s) here:

http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-7275100.html?sid=25b9d0f56a586743677d4f3ad7b1ebb9

That particular issue seems to be tvtime specific, so if this gets 
unmasked, ensure sound doesn't have issues with it before doing so

Thanks,
Samuli

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: media-tv/tvtime

[Markos Chandras]

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On Mar 24, 2013 8:25 PM, "Matt Turner" <mattst88@gentoo.org> wrote:
>
> On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 7:43 AM, Markos Chandras <hwoarang@gentoo.org>
wrote:
> > And what if it breaks again in the future? Should we go over the same
> > discussion again?
>
> Can't this be restated as "Shouldn't we tree clean it now since it
> could have bugs in the future?"? Tree cleaning packages over future
> hypothetical bugs seems like bad policy.
>

Sure but I haven't seen anyone stepping up and fix the existing problems
either....

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[gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: media-tv/tvtime

[Nuno Silva]

On 2013-03-24, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:

> On 23/03/13 01:15, Markos Chandras wrote:
>>
>> # Markos Chandras <hwoarang@gentoo.org> (22 Mar 2013)
>> # Fails with automake-1.12 (#424289)
>> # Problems with the alsa patches (#403389)
>> # Herd has not interest in it and needs a maintainer
>> # Removal in a month unless a new maintainer steps up
>> # and fix all the bugs
>> # Alternatives: media-tv/me-tv, media-tv/mythtv
>> media-tv/tvtime
>
> These aren't alternatives (they're only dealing with digital TV, not
> analog.)  AFAIK, tvtime has no alternatives at all.  If it goes,
> analog TV users can't watch TV anymore :-/

mplayer *can* play it, but tuning is a different story. I suppose you
can always craft a playlist with "URIs" that have the channel frequency
and use that.

But in terms of interface, tvtime is a bit better, IMHO. Sadly, I don't
really have any analog broadcasts around to try it with.

-- 
Nuno Silva (aka njsg)
http://njsg.sdf-eu.org/

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: media-tv/tvtime

[Peter Stuge]

Nuno Silva wrote:
> mplayer *can* play it, but tuning is a different story.

mplayer is not really an alternative. tvtime looks and feels
significantly better.

A lot like saying that Fiat is an alternative to Ferrari.

I'm also curious if there are more known bugs than those noted in the
mask. I looked at the ALSA-related build problem and it has an easy
fix.

I'm happy to commit fixes for the ebuild to my overlay, but it's of
course quite lame for a fixed ebuild to live outside the tree.


//Peter

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: media-tv/tvtime

[Brian Dolbec]

On Sun, 2013-03-24 at 14:22 +0100, Peter Stuge wrote:
> Nuno Silva wrote:
> > mplayer *can* play it, but tuning is a different story.
> 
> mplayer is not really an alternative. tvtime looks and feels
> significantly better.
> 
> A lot like saying that Fiat is an alternative to Ferrari.
> 
> I'm also curious if there are more known bugs than those noted in the
> mask. I looked at the ALSA-related build problem and it has an easy
> fix.
> 
> I'm happy to commit fixes for the ebuild to my overlay, but it's of
> course quite lame for a fixed ebuild to live outside the tree.
> 
> 
> //Peter
> 

Then that is something the 30 day lastrite mask gets accomplished that
doesn't happen when it is just left in the tree to bitrot.

Fix the bugs, and submit the fixes, it then becomes a maintainer needed
pkg that is working.  If you wish to keep it in the tree, perhaps you
could proxy-maintain it.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: media-tv/tvtime

[Markos Chandras]

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On 03/24/2013 01:22 PM, Peter Stuge wrote:
> Nuno Silva wrote:
>> mplayer *can* play it, but tuning is a different story.
> 
> mplayer is not really an alternative. tvtime looks and feels 
> significantly better.
> 
> A lot like saying that Fiat is an alternative to Ferrari.
> 
> I'm also curious if there are more known bugs than those noted in
> the mask. I looked at the ALSA-related build problem and it has an
> easy fix.
> 
> I'm happy to commit fixes for the ebuild to my overlay, but it's
> of course quite lame for a fixed ebuild to live outside the tree.
> 
> 
> //Peter
> 

That's fine. Commit it to your overlay. Frankly, I am quite tired with
your attitude. You keep complaining about everything and not bother to
*actually* work with us and fix this. If you like tvtime, step up,
maintain it yourself and I will be more than happy to commit all the
fixes on your behalf.

- -- 
Regards,
Markos Chandras - Gentoo Linux Developer
http://dev.gentoo.org/~hwoarang
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: media-tv/tvtime

[Peter Stuge]

Markos Chandras wrote:
> You keep complaining about everything

I keep complaining about things that I think can be improved, while
I don't generally praise things that I think are already good enough.

There are so many problems to fix that I basically feel that time is
better spent on problems than on giving praise.

I understand that most people can not handle focus only on problems
without also getting positive feedback for encouragement, but I don't
do that very much, except when defending Gentoo among naysayers.

I think the Gentoo tooling is absolutely outstanding, or I wouldn't
be here using it.


> and not bother to *actually* work with us and fix this.

Not really true. As I mentioned in a previous email I researched what
the fix is for the tvtime USE=-alsa build failure and I documented it
in bugzilla. It was sortof there already, but not very clear, so I
completely understand that someone who only looked briefly at the
comments did not notice that actually the fix was known.


> If you like tvtime, step up, maintain it yourself and

I don't like it enough to take that responsibility, because I know
that I can not take the time needed to deal with further issues. If
I was still using it myself then I might well have, but as things are
I can't do a good job and would rather only help provide solutions
for observed problems on best effort basis, rather than create false
expectations.


> I will be more than happy to commit all the fixes on your behalf.

It would be super cool if you did this for other bugs that I have
provided solutions for. The xfig one was resolved a while ago, but
I think there might still be some others. I'll look up the links.


Thanks

//Peter

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: media-tv/tvtime

[Markos Chandras]

On 24 March 2013 15:15, Peter Stuge <peter@stuge.se> wrote:
>> I will be more than happy to commit all the fixes on your behalf.
>
> It would be super cool if you did this for other bugs that I have
> provided solutions for. The xfig one was resolved a while ago, but
> I think there might still be some others. I'll look up the links.

If you have asked nicely I would. I don't track every single bug out there

-- 
Regards,
Markos Chandras - Gentoo Linux Developer
http://dev.gentoo.org/~hwoarang

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: media-tv/tvtime

[Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina]

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On 03/24/2013 09:22 AM, Peter Stuge wrote:
> Nuno Silva wrote:
>> mplayer *can* play it, but tuning is a different story.
> 
> mplayer is not really an alternative. tvtime looks and feels
> significantly better.
> 
> A lot like saying that Fiat is an alternative to Ferrari.
> 
> I'm also curious if there are more known bugs than those noted in the
> mask. I looked at the ALSA-related build problem and it has an easy
> fix.
> 
> I'm happy to commit fixes for the ebuild to my overlay, but it's of
> course quite lame for a fixed ebuild to live outside the tree.

Perhaps you would like to proxy maintain it in the tree? If you have
fixes for the open bugs then I see no issue here...

Thanks,
Zero
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: media-tv/tvtime

[Rafael Goncalves Martins]

On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 8:15 PM, Markos Chandras <hwoarang@gentoo.org> wrote:
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> # Markos Chandras <hwoarang@gentoo.org> (22 Mar 2013)
> # Fails with automake-1.12 (#424289)
> # Problems with the alsa patches (#403389)
> # Herd has not interest in it and needs a maintainer
> # Removal in a month unless a new maintainer steps up
> # and fix all the bugs
> # Alternatives: media-tv/me-tv, media-tv/mythtv
> media-tv/tvtime
>

Too sad to see it being treecleaned. :(

I used it for a long time, and it really rocks, but I don't own any
pc-tv hw anymore. I'd like to avoid it being treecleaned, but without
the hw, it is just impossible.

--
Rafael Goncalves Martins
Gentoo Linux developer
http://rafaelmartins.eng.br/

[gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: media-tv/tvtime

[Nuno J. Silva (aka njsg)]

On 2013-03-25, Rafael Goncalves Martins <rafaelmartins@gentoo.org> wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 8:15 PM, Markos Chandras <hwoarang@gentoo.org> wrote:
>>
>> # Markos Chandras <hwoarang@gentoo.org> (22 Mar 2013)
>> # Fails with automake-1.12 (#424289)
>> # Problems with the alsa patches (#403389)
>> # Herd has not interest in it and needs a maintainer
>> # Removal in a month unless a new maintainer steps up
>> # and fix all the bugs
>> # Alternatives: media-tv/me-tv, media-tv/mythtv
>> media-tv/tvtime
>>
>
> Too sad to see it being treecleaned. :(
>
> I used it for a long time, and it really rocks, but I don't own any
> pc-tv hw anymore. I'd like to avoid it being treecleaned, but without
> the hw, it is just impossible.

Similar problem here, I do own a tv tuner, but there are no *analog*
broadcasts here. From what I know, tvtime only works with analog
TV. In fact, one thing I wish I knew about was a comparable software
for DVB-T. VLC is simply not designed to work like a television,
nor is mplayer.

-- 
Nuno Silva (aka njsg)
http://njsg.sdf-eu.org/

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: media-tv/tvtime

[Brian Dolbec]

On Mon, 2013-03-25 at 06:40 +0000, Nuno J. Silva (aka njsg) wrote:
> On 2013-03-25, Rafael Goncalves Martins <rafaelmartins@gentoo.org> wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 8:15 PM, Markos Chandras <hwoarang@gentoo.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> # Markos Chandras <hwoarang@gentoo.org> (22 Mar 2013)
> >> # Fails with automake-1.12 (#424289)
> >> # Problems with the alsa patches (#403389)
> >> # Herd has not interest in it and needs a maintainer
> >> # Removal in a month unless a new maintainer steps up
> >> # and fix all the bugs
> >> # Alternatives: media-tv/me-tv, media-tv/mythtv
> >> media-tv/tvtime
> >>
> >
> > Too sad to see it being treecleaned. :(
> >
> > I used it for a long time, and it really rocks, but I don't own any
> > pc-tv hw anymore. I'd like to avoid it being treecleaned, but without
> > the hw, it is just impossible.
> 
> Similar problem here, I do own a tv tuner, but there are no *analog*
> broadcasts here. From what I know, tvtime only works with analog
> TV. In fact, one thing I wish I knew about was a comparable software
> for DVB-T. VLC is simply not designed to work like a television,
> nor is mplayer.
> 

Same here, I have a analog tuner card that the sound died on.  At the
time I thought it was an electronic failure, but maybe it was the alsa
problem mentioned.  I am not sure, but our cable signal might still have
some analog broadcasts on it. I know that all through the air tv signals
are now digital here as well.  I'll see if I can find it and try the
alsa fix.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: media-tv/tvtime

[Stefan 'Steve' Tell]

On 25.03.2013 07:40, Nuno J. Silva (aka njsg) wrote:

> Similar problem here, I do own a tv tuner, but there are no *analog*
> broadcasts here. From what I know, tvtime only works with analog
> TV. 

I have two analog devices here (one USB device and one really old but
working Hauppauge WinTV/PCI (bt848)) and both work great with TvTime.

It would be nice to have actual fixes in the tree but if it will be
tree-cleaned I'll give it a new home in /usr/local :)

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[gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: media-tv/tvtime

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 25/03/13 08:40, Nuno J. Silva (aka njsg) wrote:
> On 2013-03-25, Rafael Goncalves Martins <rafaelmartins@gentoo.org> wrote:
>> On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 8:15 PM, Markos Chandras <hwoarang@gentoo.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> # Markos Chandras <hwoarang@gentoo.org> (22 Mar 2013)
>>> # Fails with automake-1.12 (#424289)
>>> # Problems with the alsa patches (#403389)
>>> # Herd has not interest in it and needs a maintainer
>>> # Removal in a month unless a new maintainer steps up
>>> # and fix all the bugs
>>> # Alternatives: media-tv/me-tv, media-tv/mythtv
>>> media-tv/tvtime
>>>
>>
>> Too sad to see it being treecleaned. :(
>>
>> I used it for a long time, and it really rocks, but I don't own any
>> pc-tv hw anymore. I'd like to avoid it being treecleaned, but without
>> the hw, it is just impossible.
>
> Similar problem here, I do own a tv tuner, but there are no *analog*
> broadcasts here. From what I know, tvtime only works with analog
> TV.

If you get the classic TV white static, and a "shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh" sound, 
it works ;-)