From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91EE41388D2 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2013 05:52:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EBC0E21C002; Thu, 7 Feb 2013 05:52:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from foo.stuge.se (foo.stuge.se [212.116.89.98]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AACF0E04AB for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2013 05:52:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 9168 invoked by uid 501); 7 Feb 2013 05:52:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20130207055244.9167.qmail@stuge.se> Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 06:52:44 +0100 From: Peter Stuge To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in virtual/ffmpeg: ffmpeg-9.ebuild ChangeLog ffmpeg-0.10.2-r1.ebuild Mail-Followup-To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org References: <20130116124002.B9FA22171D@flycatcher.gentoo.org> <20130116170907.6ee31e7d@gentoo.org> <4176032.KcqBdYLtS8@arcarius> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <4176032.KcqBdYLtS8@arcarius> X-Archives-Salt: 15c6e36d-94dc-4cc8-a2ae-d18110c7298c X-Archives-Hash: f2627c2fe45803ed1b18488901747850 Tomáš Chvátal wrote: > we as gentoo will provide both while preffered default will be what > major distros use. What kind of careless mainstream attitude is that? Really? I mean: You are saying that given two options, Gentoo will do whatever "major distros" are doing. (Never mind that Gentoo *is* a major distro, and whatever Gentoo does generates collective bias just like whatever any other distro does.) How about making an informed decision instead? Oops, I forgot - that would mean actually having to *get informed* first. "We as gentoo" must certainly avoid getting informed at all cost!!!!111oneone Are you *really* quite serious? Please explain yourself. > If you disagree with that and you don't want your lead to make that decision Hm? Where can I learn more about the "lead" ? So it is a single person's decision, and not "we as gentoo" that decides? I'd like to understand how this decision making process actually works. Does anyone know? > which you and I both don't want. Guess what - I have been on the receiving end of the arguably insanely lame mainstream attitude that you support, and honestly it fucking broke my heart that people working on Linux distributions (it wasn't just Gentoo, it was *every* distro) would be so genuinely uninterested in what happens upstream, especially at a time where a downstream decision may carry a bit of extra weight. I do not want that. (Around the time this happened to me I wrote roughly the same in a private email to developers of another distribution which shall remain unnamed. I found that email in a pastebin a few days later.) It is long since clear to me that I have much too high expectations on people. But are you *REALLY* not able to do *any* better than "default will be what major distros use" ? Seriously? //Peter