From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D3AE1384F2 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:55:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B1D7C21C066; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:55:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7161F21C02F for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:55:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vereniki.bit-level.net (li302-95.members.linode.com [178.79.164.95]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: pchrist) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5CFF533D8FB for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:55:01 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 00:53:55 +0200 From: Panagiotis Christopoulos To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] removing the server profiles... Message-ID: <20130116225355.GA4393@earth.members.linode.com> References: <201301160036.18229.dilfridge@gentoo.org> <201301162214.33917.dilfridge@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="LZvS9be/3tNcYl/X" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <201301162214.33917.dilfridge@gentoo.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Archives-Salt: a311a931-66e7-48d6-9abd-fa78c65c34b2 X-Archives-Hash: 11f24efeca2273428a64eab376218c59 --LZvS9be/3tNcYl/X Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 22:14 Wed 16 Jan , Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > Am Mittwoch, 16. Januar 2013, 00:36:18 schrieb Andreas K. Huettel: > OK, I consider this consensus enough.=20 > > ...=20 >=20 > Being the one that does the work, the server profiles are disappearing in= =20 > 13.0. >=20 Err, ok, so now guys, we 're offering a base profile* with dri, cups, gmp, fortran and pppd(?) enabled, at the same time openmp enabled but threads disabled, no sockets, no caps no apache2 or mysql that I would probably want if I wanted to build a server box etc. and we officially drop the server profiles (which is true, they're unmaintained for ages).=20 I've been devaway for long, probably this was discussed in the past (as Ian (axs) pointed out), but am I the only one who finds it a little wrong? = Don't get me wrong on my example, above. Eg. I love fortran, however I don't know= why I should build it on every gcc update if I don't use it in my server (of course I can disabled it, yes I know).=20 Many have said that a "server" is something very generic, so is "desktop". I think profiles were invented to make things easier and safer for users, so now we 're doing it for "desktop" users but people who want to build a server box have to scratch their heads from the first moment. I'm fine with that if our community is fine with that.=20 I'm not blaming anyone, as the server profiles are useless atm, it was the right call to remove them. I'm just wondering if this happened because they were not maintained properly or because we really don't need them.=20 Panagiotis * I took as example the base default/linux/amd64/10.0 . ps. I'll try find the old discussions which may help me understand things better. --=20 Panagiotis Christopoulos ( pchrist ) ( Gentoo Lisp Project ) --LZvS9be/3tNcYl/X Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iEYEABECAAYFAlD3L4MACgkQOsV5uRvANlYhPACdG2cGMKzYxwYBKKt5ZkIVlIsL IpkAn2rV6BULRtYIDSF5N8oWeYsKU0R6 =B8aT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --LZvS9be/3tNcYl/X--