[gentoo-dev] What did we achieve in 2012? What are our resolutions for 2013?

[gentoo-dev] What did we achieve in 2012? What are our resolutions for 2013?

[Ben de Groot]

Happy New Year to all of you!

Looking back at 2012, I wonder what we consider our achievements for
this past year. What is the state of Gentoo? How have we brought it
forward and improved it this past year?

And what do we want to see in the coming year? How can we make Gentoo
more awesome in 2013?

I will add my own thoughts later. I first would like to hear from you.
-- 
Cheers,

Ben | yngwin
Gentoo developer
Gentoo Qt project lead, Gentoo Wiki admin

Re: [gentoo-dev] What did we achieve in 2012? What are our resolutions for 2013?

[Diego Elio Pettenò]

On 31/12/2012 15:17, Ben de Groot wrote:
> 
> Looking back at 2012, I wonder what we consider our achievements for
> this past year. What is the state of Gentoo? How have we brought it
> forward and improved it this past year?

Have we?

-- 
Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes
flameeyes@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/

Re: [gentoo-dev] What did we achieve in 2012? What are our resolutions for 2013?

[Pacho Ramos]

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El lun, 31-12-2012 a las 22:17 +0800, Ben de Groot escribió:
> Happy New Year to all of you!
> 
> Looking back at 2012, I wonder what we consider our achievements for
> this past year. What is the state of Gentoo? How have we brought it
> forward and improved it this past year?
> 
> And what do we want to see in the coming year? How can we make Gentoo
> more awesome in 2013?
> 
> I will add my own thoughts later. I first would like to hear from you.

EAPI5 and preserve-libs portage feature more near to stable ;)

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Re: [gentoo-dev] What did we achieve in 2012? What are our resolutions for 2013?

[Jeff Horelick]

On 31 December 2012 09:17, Ben de Groot <yngwin@gentoo.org> wrote:
> Happy New Year to all of you!
>
> Looking back at 2012, I wonder what we consider our achievements for
> this past year. What is the state of Gentoo? How have we brought it
> forward and improved it this past year?
>
> And what do we want to see in the coming year? How can we make Gentoo
> more awesome in 2013?
>
> I will add my own thoughts later. I first would like to hear from you.
> --
> Cheers,
>
> Ben | yngwin
> Gentoo developer
> Gentoo Qt project lead, Gentoo Wiki admin
>

For starters, I think the state of Gentoo isn't too bad. Yes, there
are a few more maintainer-needed packages than we'd like to see, but
MOST packages are well maintained, we're keeping arch pretty stable
and up-to-date and working well for most arches and even ~arch isn't
too broken. Portage is working better than it ever has and EAPI=5 is
in full swing. I wish we could get started on stabilising gcc-4.6.x,
but i suppose there are still A BIT too many packages that need to be
fixed with it (though nothing really critical now that we've fixed the
GRUB bug).

The biggest thing that has changed in Gentoo in the past year in my
opinion is mindshare. I think we are back in the public's mindshare.
Mostly with good advocacy, a bit with good publicity and even a bit
with bad publicity (eudev haters, i'm looking at you...but i suppose
the old saying "There's no such thing as bad publicity" applies here a
bit). It hasn't really resulted in too many new developers or
contributors but from what i've seen, it's resulted in A LOT of new
users.

For 2013, I don't really think much needs to be done. Mostly just keep
the status quo. It would be nice to see the git migration happen in
2013, i'm sure that will spur many new contributors. I'd like to see
preserve-libs (either in its current state or fully driven by
subslots) enabled by default in 2013. Also, of course, i'd like to see
more developers come on board in 2013.

It's really difficult to sum up the past year and the future because,
over the year, i've seen so many things in Gentoo that i've said
"That's so cool" in regards to, but i wouldn't put it on a list of the
biggest improvements of the year.

Re: [gentoo-dev] What did we achieve in 2012? What are our resolutions for 2013?

[Roy Bamford]

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On 2012.12.31 14:17, Ben de Groot wrote:
> Happy New Year to all of you!
> 
> Looking back at 2012, I wonder what we consider our achievements for
> this past year. What is the state of Gentoo? How have we brought it
> forward and improved it this past year?
> 
> And what do we want to see in the coming year? How can we make Gentoo
> more awesome in 2013?
> 
> I will add my own thoughts later. I first would like to hear from 
> you.
> -- 
> Cheers,
> 
> Ben | yngwin
> Gentoo developer
> Gentoo Qt project lead, Gentoo Wiki admin
> 
> 

Ben,

I'm older and more cynical than most on this list.  In my mind, 
improvement means change but change is not always improvement.

I'll summarise it in a post French revolution saying ... 
Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

What would make Gentoo more awsome next year?
Getting more devs on board so existing things can move faster.

-- 
Regards,

Roy Bamford
(Neddyseagoon) a member of
elections
gentoo-ops
forum-mods
trustees

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Re: [gentoo-dev] What did we achieve in 2012? What are our resolutions for 2013?

[Diego Elio Pettenò]

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On 31/12/2012 17:22, Roy Bamford wrote:
> I'm older and more cynical than most on this list.  In my mind, 
> improvement means change but change is not always improvement.

Thank you.

-- 
Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes
flameeyes@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/


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Re: [gentoo-dev] What did we achieve in 2012? What are our resolutions for 2013?

[Jeroen Roovers]

On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 22:17:35 +0800
Ben de Groot <yngwin@gentoo.org> wrote:

> Happy New Year to all of you!

+1

> Looking back at 2012, I wonder what we consider our achievements for
> this past year. What is the state of Gentoo? How have we brought it
> forward and improved it this past year?

I think I fixed a few bugs this year.


     jer

Re: [gentoo-dev] What did we achieve in 2012? What are our resolutions for 2013?

[IAN DELANEY]

On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 15:24:40 +0100
Diego Elio Pettenò <flameeyes@flameeyes.eu> wrote:

> On 31/12/2012 15:17, Ben de Groot wrote:
> > 
> > Looking back at 2012, I wonder what we consider our achievements for
> > this past year. What is the state of Gentoo? How have we brought it
> > forward and improved it this past year?
> 
> Have we?
> 

Well, is this an exercise in posing of the rhetorical?  Repeating of
the fundamental question at hand achieved .... well, nothing really,
rather like treading water instead of actual breast stroke.

The pen having writ (well the keyboard actually), the question thus put,
beckons a reply. i.e. an answer, So, answer it. Give the man a breast
stroke; something like;

Gentoo is up and running and doing fine. We have brought it forward,
and happily not down. Just look at the new nifty eclasses and their
docs to match.

Of one thing I am assured; the feisty temperament of the
archetypical gentoo dev is at its feisty best. 

-- 
kind regards

Ian Delaney

Re: [gentoo-dev] What did we achieve in 2012? What are our resolutions for 2013?

[Sebastian Pipping]

Coming to my mind:


There have been continued regular releases of genkernel integrating
patches from various people:
http://git.overlays.gentoo.org/gitweb/?p=proj/genkernel.git;a=tags

And there has been a constant stream of people asking for user overlay
hosting or getting an existing overlay being added to the layman
registry that we could serve.


Ben, I hope you have the time to make a news post from this thread's
collection?


Best,



Sebastian

Re: [gentoo-dev] What did we achieve in 2012? What are our resolutions for 2013?

[Ben de Groot]

On 5 January 2013 07:28, Sebastian Pipping <sping@gentoo.org> wrote:
> Coming to my mind:
>
>
> There have been continued regular releases of genkernel integrating
> patches from various people:
> http://git.overlays.gentoo.org/gitweb/?p=proj/genkernel.git;a=tags
>
> And there has been a constant stream of people asking for user overlay
> hosting or getting an existing overlay being added to the layman
> registry that we could serve.
>
>
> Ben, I hope you have the time to make a news post from this thread's
> collection?

Seeing the meagre content, I'm not sure that's a good idea. Is it
really newsworthy to say that the Gentoo developer community thinks we
haven't accomplished much?

-- 
Cheers,

Ben | yngwin
Gentoo developer
Gentoo Qt project lead, Gentoo Wiki admin

Re: [gentoo-dev] What did we achieve in 2012? What are our resolutions for 2013?

[Peter Stuge]

Ben de Groot wrote:
> Is it really newsworthy to say that the Gentoo developer community
> thinks we haven't accomplished much?

Spin it: Write that you asked developers but only got very little
feedback (literally only a handful of people replied), summarize the
replies, and then ask for a dialogue with the readers. This assumes
that there is a convenient way to maintain such a dialogue...


//Peter