From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FB091381F3 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 06:58:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E467521C01B; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 06:57:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3FEC321C015 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 06:57:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from marga.jer-c2.orkz.net (D4B2706A.static.ziggozakelijk.nl [212.178.112.106]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jer) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 04C2033DAE2 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 06:57:00 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 07:56:56 +0100 From: Jeroen Roovers To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Attracting developers (Re: Packages up for grabs...) Message-ID: <20121219075656.3d07efab@marga.jer-c2.orkz.net> In-Reply-To: <20121217104006.4f149977@pomiocik.lan> References: <50CDFD7F.7040207@orlitzky.com> <50CE62DE.3060608@orlitzky.com> <20121217104006.4f149977@pomiocik.lan> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.0 (GTK+ 2.24.12; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: dfcf4d4d-baaa-4b2f-95ca-8791d14c0421 X-Archives-Hash: 54f433d3960cb8b19283955ff7c0b900 On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:40:06 +0100 Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: > > People aren't bothering. It's not because of any fundamental > > problem -- it's because the process is obscure and potentially a > > waste of time. >=20 > I agree with that. The process takes a lot of time for a minor > benefit, and most of it doesn't prove really helpful. I think the > process should mostly prove that someone is able to find and read > docs, write ebuilds and understand the major concepts. Please show me some numbers that prove your point about the recruitment pro= cess having "little benefit". > Honestly, I see no reason to ask recruits for a lot of things we do > right now. There's no point in telling them to summarize a large piece > of the docs. From my personal experience, there is a lot of things > which you learn and then forget because you don't need them for a > long time. I could go all cynical here and give a few examples of how a couple of peop= le recently got through and actually managed to mess up a few very basic things you would never contemplate quizzing them about. But I would much rather see to it that those few bits get fixed, rather than the even greater mess we would be in if everybody with the "right mindset" = got commit privileges. Since nobody's perfect, we already have enough work to d= o, thank you. jer