From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC13A1381F3 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 09:40:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A02F421C00D; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 09:40:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D3503E0603 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 09:40:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pomiocik.lan (77-253-148-250.adsl.inetia.pl [77.253.148.250]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: mgorny) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C72D333DA66; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 09:40:11 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:40:06 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?B?TWljaGHFgiBHw7Nybnk=?= To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Cc: michael@orlitzky.com Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Attracting developers (Re: Packages up for grabs...) Message-ID: <20121217104006.4f149977@pomiocik.lan> In-Reply-To: <50CE62DE.3060608@orlitzky.com> References: <50CDFD7F.7040207@orlitzky.com> <50CE62DE.3060608@orlitzky.com> Organization: Gentoo X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.0 (GTK+ 2.24.14; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA256; boundary="Sig_/BWY+8KMEDYf3wNRoe1OA_YR"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: e2128833-d61f-4610-8e56-c36d9ed18363 X-Archives-Hash: f277fec769bc23cb7a73927c6c4e0840 --Sig_/BWY+8KMEDYf3wNRoe1OA_YR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 19:10:06 -0500 Michael Orlitzky wrote: > > Parts of this docs are outdated but this does not matter. Get > > involved, fix bugs, help people and someone will ask you to join. Or > > look for a mentor. >=20 > If your recruitment process is "fix bugs for years and maybe someone > will notice you, maybe not," then nobody is going to bother. There needs > to be a clear, step-by-step process. This guy posted a graph the other da= y: >=20 > http://hwoarang.silverarrow.org/wp-content/uploads/recruitment_stats.png I don't think a single graph is 'good enough' for the complexity of the problem. I probably do count to the 'gave up' no in the earlier years, yet I finally made it the other year. I wonder how many others like me are there. > People aren't bothering. It's not because of any fundamental problem -- > it's because the process is obscure and potentially a waste of time. I agree with that. The process takes a lot of time for a minor benefit, and most of it doesn't prove really helpful. I think the process should mostly prove that someone is able to find and read docs, write ebuilds and understand the major concepts. Honestly, I see no reason to ask recruits for a lot of things we do right now. There's no point in telling them to summarize a large piece of the docs. From my personal experience, there is a lot of things which you learn and then forget because you don't need them for a long time. --=20 Best regards, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny --Sig_/BWY+8KMEDYf3wNRoe1OA_YR Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iJwEAQEIAAYFAlDO6HYACgkQfXuS5UK5QB1iYwQAmRC8vSGOXfnHd++pGJZy0eiC AXxc18e9szb668ms5zZkupwiVK1U37cM/xQKiribUWZulMlbcDVF/qhdABjlJiQr KuST7t6I4JgPj0FfPlCLvBeP3+tCaU3CpiUz+BYYmzQfI6QR4dOldcg061n/GuVN 4efAshhA1FJ3qmzi8tk= =n0UU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/BWY+8KMEDYf3wNRoe1OA_YR--