From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D760F1381F3 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 18:54:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1F14BE0710; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 18:54:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mo-p05-ob.rzone.de (mo-p05-ob.rzone.de [81.169.146.180]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D5E12E0700 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 18:53:44 +0000 (UTC) X-RZG-AUTH: :IW0NeWCpcPchHrcnS4ebzBgQnKHTmUiSF2JlOcyz+57jTVMtVX7771jbiJc= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo05 Received: from pinacolada.localnet (95-130-165-142.hsi.glasfaser-ostbayern.de [95.130.165.142]) by smtp.strato.de (jored mo14) (RZmta 31.9 AUTH) with ESMTPA id d04cddoBGHhoBa for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 19:53:42 +0100 (CET) From: "Andreas K. Huettel" To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Attracting developers (Re: Packages up for grabs...) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 19:53:55 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (Linux/3.4.9-gentoo; KDE/4.9.90; x86_64; ; ) References: <50CDFD7F.7040207@orlitzky.com> In-Reply-To: <50CDFD7F.7040207@orlitzky.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1957850.C0vLuAH29d"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201212161954.00706.dilfridge@gentoo.org> X-Archives-Salt: c821f87b-7ccd-474b-8325-114ff04ca732 X-Archives-Hash: 61302529c9b2676378b0ec4c09afefa9 --nextPart1957850.C0vLuAH29d Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > 1. Even MediaWiki (wiki.gentoo.org) looks better than www.gentoo.org. > That's impressive-bad. >=20 > People still think of Gentoo as a ricer distro that's broken all > the time, when in reality, it's one of the most stable. No one > would suspect that anything has changed, though, since the > homepage hasn't since before I could drink beer. >=20 > It makes the entire distro look unmaintained. Yeah. Stable. Hehe... The problem with the entire webpage is that is coded in an extremely obscur= e=20 way. It is probably easier to 100% replace it from scratch than to modify a= nd=20 improve it. Yes, I've tried to analyze once how e.g. the table of blog post= s=20 or the GLSA announcements on the main page come together. My personal suggestion would be to code an internal replacement and=20 transparently port more and more pages to it (as a change mostly invisible= =20 from outside, with two content management systems running concurrently for = a=20 transition period). Once the transition is complete, improvements can be ma= de=20 in a more sweeping way.=20 How to do this, however, and what software to target should probably be=20 decided by people who know more than me... and in the end it all boils down= to=20 "who has the time and motivation". > 2. Nowhere is it actually spelled out how to become a developer. > Let's google "how to become a gentoo developer." This takes me > to... >=20 > > http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/handbook/handbook.xml?part=3D1&cha= p=3D2 >=20 > which as far as I know, is complete bullshit. I should look for an > opening in the monthly newsletter? Really? Or in #gentoo-bugs? That page BADLY needs an update. It should however probably also reflect=20 reality in the sense that you cannot really "apply to become a developer".= =20 What you can do is help out, be useful, get noticed, and be offered the job. (That at least is my personal impression on how it works.) > 3. Get off CVS for Christ's sake. Nobody wants to work with that. I > don't know how this fits into my bullet list, but it's important. >=20 There's exactly one argument in favour of CVS, and Fabian has already made = it.=20 Indeed CVS *is* stone age software. However, until you've actually become a= =20 Gentoo dev, you will not need to touch it, and then learning the minimal CV= S=20 requirements should then be the very least of your worries. So this point i= s=20 probably a bit out of context here.=20 (/me remembers that the monthly reminder mail "how is the migration going"= =20 still needs to be sent...) Cheers, A =2D-=20 Andreas K. Huettel Gentoo Linux developer=20 dilfridge@gentoo.org http://www.akhuettel.de/ --nextPart1957850.C0vLuAH29d Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iEYEABECAAYFAlDOGMgACgkQ3ao2Zwy3NWo+JQCfaEx+RIUDzn8FTfp9gVCQEGwx 1G8Anib2OUkZyOKVaWzf8BlMnhnjevPL =deIT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1957850.C0vLuAH29d--