From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 548D01381F3 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 01:14:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 45D3F21C038; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 01:14:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com (ironport2-out.teksavvy.com [206.248.154.182]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0EBFE06D6 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 01:14:12 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgsKAG6Zu09FpaEo/2dsb2JhbAAqGrJ2A4EYgQiCFgEFOhwzCzQSFCU3hhKBfAspuVEEiwhagUSCPGIDiEKEfIdchV+IOoFYgweBQQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,637,1330923600"; d="scan'208";a="207919354" Received: from 69-165-161-40.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO waltdnes.org) ([69.165.161.40]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2012 20:14:11 -0500 Received: by waltdnes.org (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 18 Nov 2012 20:13:55 -0500 From: "Walter Dnes" Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 20:13:55 -0500 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] udev-ng? (Was: Summary Council meeting Tuesday 13 November 2012) Message-ID: <20121119011354.GA18414@waltdnes.org> References: <20121106212816.GE82762@gentoo.org> <20121117190207.GY83592@gentoo.org> <20121118032922.GA2335@kroah.com> <20121118070539.GA17010@waltdnes.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Archives-Salt: f12043c2-253b-4f76-82b0-c38bf12c3b8f X-Archives-Hash: 8cac7bbc6bddb8ea44fbb058f2aee562 On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 01:51:14AM -0600, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s wrote > > "... systemd is a cross-distro project: every major and many, many > minor distros have had people contributing to systemd. last i heard > even two debian devs have commit access to the repo, among many > others. systemd upstream is very accommodating of different needs and > different use-cases (as long as they are presented on technical > grounds) and have been a pleasure to work with so far. We are getting > the joint experience of a lot of people/projects who have worked on > different init systems for a long time, I think this is one of the > most important "features" one could have." > > https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1149530#p1149530 You're missing the point entirely. Yes, the systemd people are working for the good of systemd. Nobody denies that. Your post does not address the fact that Kay and Lennart hold standalone udev in contempt, and treat it as a 2nd-class citizen. Note that Richard Yao is *NOT* forking systemd. He is forking udev, which addresses the issue of Kay's+Lennart's hostility to standalone udev on non-systemd setups. I, and a lot of other people, would like to use a sane standalone udev (from the Greg KH days) without systemd's dependancies/restrictions. That is the "target market" for a udev fork. -- Walter Dnes We are apparently better off trying to avoid udev like the plague. Linus Torvalds; 2012/10/03 https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/10/3/349