Re: [gentoo-dev] Lastrites: media-libs/gmyth, media-plugins/gst-plugins-mythtv, net-libs/libmonetra, dev-php/pecl-mcve, dev-vcs/svk, net-im/jabberd, net-p2p/sancho-bin, media-sound/xfi-drivers, app-misc/rio, media-sound/audtty, net-ftp/netkit-tftp, g

Re: [gentoo-dev] Lastrites: media-libs/gmyth, media-plugins/gst-plugins-mythtv, net-libs/libmonetra, dev-php/pecl-mcve, dev-vcs/svk, net-im/jabberd, net-p2p/sancho-bin, media-sound/xfi-drivers, app-misc/rio, media-sound/audtty, net-ftp/netkit-tftp, g

[Ben de Groot]

On 16 September 2012 23:40, Peter Stuge <peter@stuge.se> wrote:
> Pacho Ramos wrote:
>> # Pacho Ramos <pacho@gentoo.org> (16 Sep 2012)
>> # Upstream keeps inactive for ages and, then, it has broke again
>> # now with gnutls-3 (#421385). Removal in a month.
>> net-im/jabberd
>
> What about the 1.4 version? It depends on openssl, so maybe it
> doesn't have the gnutls issue.
>
> I kinda like jabberd.

So step up and take on maintainership of that package.

-- 
Cheers,

Ben | yngwin
Gentoo developer
Gentoo Qt project lead, Gentoo Wiki admin

Re: [gentoo-dev] Lastrites: media-libs/gmyth, media-plugins/gst-plugins-mythtv, net-libs/libmonetra, dev-php/pecl-mcve, dev-vcs/svk, net-im/jabberd, net-p2p/sancho-bin, media-sound/xfi-drivers, app-misc/rio, media-sound/audtty, net-ftp/netkit-tftp, g

[Peter Stuge]

Ben de Groot wrote:
> On 16 September 2012 23:40, Peter Stuge <peter@stuge.se> wrote:
> > Pacho Ramos wrote:
> >> # Pacho Ramos <pacho@gentoo.org> (16 Sep 2012)
> >> # Upstream keeps inactive for ages and, then, it has broke again
> >> # now with gnutls-3 (#421385). Removal in a month.
> >> net-im/jabberd
> >
> > What about the 1.4 version? It depends on openssl, so maybe it
> > doesn't have the gnutls issue.
> >
> > I kinda like jabberd.
> 
> So step up and take on maintainership of that package.

I would have, had I been a developer.

I still haven't finished the recruitment process. It requires so much
concentrated effort that it is a significant project which I can not
fit into my schedule without cutting into too many other things.

It's been that way for a few years now. Maybe something will change
in Prague.


//Peter

Re: [gentoo-dev] Lastrites: media-libs/gmyth, media-plugins/gst-plugins-mythtv, net-libs/libmonetra, dev-php/pecl-mcve, dev-vcs/svk, net-im/jabberd, net-p2p/sancho-bin, media-sound/xfi-drivers, app-misc/rio, media-sound/audtty, net-ftp/netkit-tftp, g

[Pacho Ramos]

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El lun, 17-09-2012 a las 07:56 +0200, Peter Stuge escribió:
> Ben de Groot wrote:
> > On 16 September 2012 23:40, Peter Stuge <peter@stuge.se> wrote:
> > > Pacho Ramos wrote:
> > >> # Pacho Ramos <pacho@gentoo.org> (16 Sep 2012)
> > >> # Upstream keeps inactive for ages and, then, it has broke again
> > >> # now with gnutls-3 (#421385). Removal in a month.
> > >> net-im/jabberd
> > >
> > > What about the 1.4 version? It depends on openssl, so maybe it
> > > doesn't have the gnutls issue.
> > >
> > > I kinda like jabberd.
> > 
> > So step up and take on maintainership of that package.
> 
> I would have, had I been a developer.
> 
> I still haven't finished the recruitment process. It requires so much
> concentrated effort that it is a significant project which I can not
> fit into my schedule without cutting into too many other things.
> 
> It's been that way for a few years now. Maybe something will change
> in Prague.
> 
> 
> //Peter
> 
> 

I really doubt even oldest 1.4 version will have less unresolved bugs
than current (already unmaintained and buggy) 1.6.x versions

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Lastrites: media-libs/gmyth, media-plugins/gst-plugins-mythtv, net-libs/libmonetra, dev-php/pecl-mcve, dev-vcs/svk, net-im/jabberd, net-p2p/sancho-bin, media-sound/xfi-drivers, app-misc/rio, media-sound/audtty, net-ftp/netkit-tftp, g

[Ben de Groot]

On 17 September 2012 13:56, Peter Stuge <peter@stuge.se> wrote:
> Ben de Groot wrote:
>> On 16 September 2012 23:40, Peter Stuge <peter@stuge.se> wrote:
>> > Pacho Ramos wrote:
>> >> # Pacho Ramos <pacho@gentoo.org> (16 Sep 2012)
>> >> # Upstream keeps inactive for ages and, then, it has broke again
>> >> # now with gnutls-3 (#421385). Removal in a month.
>> >> net-im/jabberd
>> >
>> > What about the 1.4 version? It depends on openssl, so maybe it
>> > doesn't have the gnutls issue.
>> >
>> > I kinda like jabberd.
>>
>> So step up and take on maintainership of that package.
>
> I would have, had I been a developer.
>
> I still haven't finished the recruitment process. It requires so much
> concentrated effort that it is a significant project which I can not
> fit into my schedule without cutting into too many other things.

You don't have to be a developer:
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/qa/proxy-maintainers/

-- 
Cheers,

Ben | yngwin
Gentoo developer
Gentoo Qt project lead, Gentoo Wiki admin

Re: [gentoo-dev] Lastrites: media-libs/gmyth, media-plugins/gst-plugins-mythtv, net-libs/libmonetra, dev-php/pecl-mcve, dev-vcs/svk, net-im/jabberd, net-p2p/sancho-bin, media-sound/xfi-drivers, app-misc/rio, media-sound/audtty, net-ftp/netkit-tftp, g

[Peter Stuge]

Ben de Groot wrote:
> >> > I kinda like jabberd.
> >>
> >> So step up and take on maintainership of that package.
> >
> > I would have, had I been a developer.
> 
> You don't have to be a developer:
> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/qa/proxy-maintainers/

And still be dependent on someone else?

No, that's not the reason I use Gentoo.


//Peter

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[Peter Stuge]

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Pacho Ramos wrote:
> > > >> # Pacho Ramos <pacho@gentoo.org> (16 Sep 2012)
> > > >> # Upstream keeps inactive for ages and, then, it has broke again
> > > >> # now with gnutls-3 (#421385). Removal in a month.
> > > >> net-im/jabberd
> > > >
> > > > What about the 1.4 version? It depends on openssl, so maybe it
> > > > doesn't have the gnutls issue.
> 
> I really doubt even oldest 1.4 version will have less unresolved bugs
> than current (already unmaintained and buggy) 1.6.x versions

Should you check that, before removing it?


//Peter

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[Samuli Suominen]

On 17/09/12 12:03, Peter Stuge wrote:
> Pacho Ramos wrote:
>>>>>> # Pacho Ramos <pacho@gentoo.org> (16 Sep 2012)
>>>>>> # Upstream keeps inactive for ages and, then, it has broke again
>>>>>> # now with gnutls-3 (#421385). Removal in a month.
>>>>>> net-im/jabberd
>>>>>
>>>>> What about the 1.4 version? It depends on openssl, so maybe it
>>>>> doesn't have the gnutls issue.
>>
>> I really doubt even oldest 1.4 version will have less unresolved bugs
>> than current (already unmaintained and buggy) 1.6.x versions
>
> Should you check that, before removing it?

That would be a job for the maintainer of the package, not member of the 
treecleaners...

-Samuli

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[Rich Freeman]

On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 5:02 AM, Peter Stuge <peter@stuge.se> wrote:
> Ben de Groot wrote:
>> >> > I kinda like jabberd.
>> >>
>> >> So step up and take on maintainership of that package.
>> >
>> > I would have, had I been a developer.
>>
>> You don't have to be a developer:
>> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/qa/proxy-maintainers/
>
> And still be dependent on someone else?
>
> No, that's not the reason I use Gentoo.
>

Well, as a user there are only two ways to get or keep your favorite
package in the tree:

1.  Get a developer to maintain it.
2.  Get a proxy-maintainer to maintain it.

That's it.  Whether you pay them, beg, appeal to their God, or
whatever, if you don't do one or the other your package will get
pruned eventually.

If your favorite package isn't in the tree you can:

1.  Keep your own ebuild in /usr/local/portage or whatever.
2.  Publish your own overlay.
3.  Use somebody else's overlay.
3a. Use sunrise.

You're never forced to stay in-tree, though you'll find that your life
might be easier if you do (more eyeballs, if somebody renames a dep or
does something big to the tree they'll fix your ebuild for you, etc).

I don't think there is any realistic alternative.  Our users expect
packages in the tree to meet basic QA standards, which requires
maintainers.  Other distros use similar approaches - in fact it seems
like if anything Gentoo keeps quite a bit of stuff in the main tree
that many other distros push out into their equivalents of overlays.

Rich

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[Peter Stuge]

Rich Freeman wrote:
> Well, as a user there are only two ways to get or keep your
> favorite package in the tree:
..
> If your favorite package isn't in the tree you can:
..

I know all this, and I have my own overlay because I'm not a developer.

I was just saying that proxy-maintaining isn't relevant for me.


//Peter

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[Pacho Ramos]

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El lun, 17-09-2012 a las 14:47 +0300, Samuli Suominen escribió:
> On 17/09/12 12:03, Peter Stuge wrote:
> > Pacho Ramos wrote:
> >>>>>> # Pacho Ramos <pacho@gentoo.org> (16 Sep 2012)
> >>>>>> # Upstream keeps inactive for ages and, then, it has broke again
> >>>>>> # now with gnutls-3 (#421385). Removal in a month.
> >>>>>> net-im/jabberd
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What about the 1.4 version? It depends on openssl, so maybe it
> >>>>> doesn't have the gnutls issue.
> >>
> >> I really doubt even oldest 1.4 version will have less unresolved bugs
> >> than current (already unmaintained and buggy) 1.6.x versions
> >
> > Should you check that, before removing it?
> 
> That would be a job for the maintainer of the package, not member of the 
> treecleaners...
> 
> -Samuli
> 
> 

You also would need to provide a fix for existing bug, not keep it as-is
forever

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