From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92CDA138010 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 18:30:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D9B2DE0504; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 18:30:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-we0-f195.google.com (mail-we0-f195.google.com [74.125.82.195]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61BF4E0477 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 18:29:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by weyx10 with SMTP id x10so432186wey.10 for ; Sat, 01 Sep 2012 11:29:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type; bh=ajYpkRvLiEdrrkszqmQ3DGKSdPOs6281NwNJnd0ekZw=; b=p3/30j72Fv8m4wLvPLgwYu0r/sEYPxEcBKEJCEj1CUmroQQ3ye0SjkmXrsKHa0g4Qt 7w7ns6Js0rSi1RryuehHPl+gi3Z9hYRnKBPKZvBZ0kSDr/iMUrfbCH94iw3l9/sVXXT7 dzD47QwzAEDaLRRsOOeQH+TOo9IxtkdBDDtbmo97YbkoC9IdzrPhwGc3Akp6tURzQOMY RVKBOjpksahjKpbOsyf9by7mABubXTyTUVU3WH138MLlnu+kg7dCs6GdG3Tlccc5FqD7 iwR2itCNLRpobgT/KsYYlzgcH/ItCQLlUSTv71Xi6ORkiMXgrmTiEGwL9PGmHdZH5tPO j0fg== Received: by 10.217.3.1 with SMTP id q1mr6657111wes.38.1346524186430; Sat, 01 Sep 2012 11:29:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (cpc13-broo7-2-0-cust130.14-2.cable.virginmedia.com. [82.9.16.131]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fu8sm8502988wib.5.2012.09.01.11.29.45 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 01 Sep 2012 11:29:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 19:28:34 +0100 From: Ciaran McCreesh To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] HDEPEND (host dependencies for cross-compilation) for EAPI 5? Message-ID: <20120901192834.38d27858@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <504250B4.9000004@gentoo.org> References: <50411874.4060204@gentoo.org> <20120831214611.088b3f50@googlemail.com> <5041288A.6030802@gentoo.org> <50413399.4030000@gentoo.org> <504142BD.7060905@gentoo.org> <20120901000738.78198cd4@googlemail.com> <504168D7.7090901@gentoo.org> <20120901170054.480394ef@googlemail.com> <504250B4.9000004@gentoo.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.11; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/WCxQwPDZoLwi2lgA6w.+omT"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: a0f05af5-43d0-4cc6-87d8-5083e469d6c4 X-Archives-Hash: d2bd2f3a1d2e6a67dd13df8de32c44ff --Sig_/WCxQwPDZoLwi2lgA6w.+omT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 01 Sep 2012 11:15:16 -0700 Zac Medico wrote: > This sounds more like a user-interface issue than a problem with > runtime-switchable USE flags (GLEP 62). The nice thing about > runtime-switchable USE flags is that makes it possible to allow users > to unify all of their optional dependency choices in their USE flag > settings. The nice thing about GLEP 62 is that no-one has implemented it and tried it with lots of packages and a bunch of users, thus figuring out just how much of a pain in the ass getting this right is... Right now we're debating the merits of a tried and tested solution versus an entirely hypothetical idea. If you really think unification is an advantage, you could treat exheres-style suggestion names as a special USE_EXPAND group. But practical experience suggests that suggestions *shouldn't* be unified, and that the way to make the feature useful to users is to get the user to explicitly accept or reject suggestions, and to make suggestions look like suggestions. --=20 Ciaran McCreesh --Sig_/WCxQwPDZoLwi2lgA6w.+omT Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlBCU9YACgkQ96zL6DUtXhG4rwCgjhC/frVGtTIANzaa6Qvtzgdn QusAn0Q/M5HWgic1xDNMIMMleIu1mKxe =zk7r -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/WCxQwPDZoLwi2lgA6w.+omT--