From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B50813800E for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 18:32:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 01556E07C1; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 18:32:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yx0-f181.google.com (mail-yx0-f181.google.com [209.85.213.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 193F5E0796 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 18:31:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yenq13 with SMTP id q13so853752yen.40 for ; Thu, 09 Aug 2012 11:31:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to :references:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition :in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=wzDj5mty01on/1B0mknlk7E3AUhRuBHcj8PXLkwQfOo=; b=uGv/FokpIgf0d2TD9aokP0QoYyZA6tdjnfhsbZ8mOEll0Dli+p80D2I4MvM09nwx/Z jH+vYtka3NxMQd4nn9u6HVFTGcySD1O5CrK1IPEaBlIYkQCQ6jVrzjxIo0NhIkWH9p16 30w0FeFCJx9d+uml8FKt9l8k3uJDSGEUoDh22lQEjkQFmjo1dfRF6ufrdqxDyx3hCQma Vl1+I1ayJi4NlhILx3oLJ9JrWARs7gnQ0F13RO50ib7lQKnQ0xRbBpj1d83GYgdmmzKR MY1ogRYJDDHsio1C6GoUglSGpiQpQfLn3igpAyhMk4G3LF+Z3lcIEfID/7hT/n+LBjYG RtZQ== Received: by 10.60.28.162 with SMTP id c2mr504155oeh.3.1344537093369; Thu, 09 Aug 2012 11:31:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from linux1 (cpe-76-187-95-170.tx.res.rr.com. [76.187.95.170]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id qk5sm1436841obc.10.2012.08.09.11.31.31 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 09 Aug 2012 11:31:32 -0700 (PDT) Sender: William Hubbs Received: by linux1 (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 09 Aug 2012 13:31:30 -0500 Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 13:31:30 -0500 From: William Hubbs To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Cc: tester@gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Questions about SystemD and OpenRC Message-ID: <20120809183130.GA6795@linux1> Mail-Followup-To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org, tester@gentoo.org References: <1344366029.24762.31.camel@TesterTop4> <502377E7.8010803@gentoo.org> <1344535966.2121.6.camel@TesterTop4> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="4Ckj6UjgE2iN1+kY" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1344535966.2121.6.camel@TesterTop4> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Archives-Salt: b3da3fc1-0735-4cfc-b9ec-410970ae0d5e X-Archives-Hash: 52952bf0f97e197c1e64df40fa6c6d24 --4Ckj6UjgE2iN1+kY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Aug 09, 2012 at 11:12:46AM -0700, Olivier Cr=EAte wrote: > > Most ideas behind systemd are interesting, their current implementation > > is sometimes completely wrong and given the experience with pulseaudio > > we all know that they won't change even if you provide code for it. >=20 > This is bullshit, if you have good reasoned arguments, Lennart is a very > reasonable guy, but if you just say "your ideas are shit, you code is > terrible", then yes, he'll just ignore you. Sorry to call you on this one, but that is not the experience I had. I proposed adding configure switches to their build system to accomodate source base distros, such as gentoo, who at times want to use udev without systemd. I even went out of the way to make sure that I didn't change their default settings. Look at a thread on their ml called minimal builds along with their wiki page on minimal builds for Lennart's answer. He even went so far as to say that our package managers are broken, and there was absolutely no negotiating this point. We are wrong as far as he is concerned. William [1] http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/MinimalBuilds --4Ckj6UjgE2iN1+kY Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlAkAgIACgkQblQW9DDEZTgbwQCeMO4jFwAmbPu00MXmQ/AYPodq mTsAoJ9et+v6C80JvJvM6z0P5kWtcHR3 =xB1R -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --4Ckj6UjgE2iN1+kY--