From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B2C413800E for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 22:20:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 21EC121C017; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 22:19:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ob0-f181.google.com (mail-ob0-f181.google.com [209.85.214.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6589FE07C0 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 22:19:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obbup19 with SMTP id up19so1851121obb.40 for ; Wed, 08 Aug 2012 15:19:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent; bh=yl+qsoGBHdWUihIWE1i4Azo8k4MPgbzhv3snE/DQ8bA=; b=kJxeP6gn+s/S7nWlqTB12rFNCf9yRmh6nqzzxAqIEOCyA4WE/AO3ii/I2B+dg/AM1e pMQ5biA2MJDPvftaznek3AVhKZfQmCCZz3jjo1RzznAU6YBadDcEbrfXygMr7cSdMTej UxgyNEZLmEW3WQiK+g5fwX4ySjYGQ+8NR2tEepdtIE0YJB8bWaw56S+O5FsdBgsrkE6K axu38GVBk15YKeitIpNtIoMVq701XpYwL5QV1eld3n+AB2FX6uLp2+DHBkAo+5lXqdsW fNcSiRPCibz2YA5Un6zCREfO8W8zHBsFrJH4cxe3U5j/6V6HyPBjj42WlmcePSz212vm Vr0A== Received: by 10.182.218.37 with SMTP id pd5mr2102637obc.24.1344464354817; Wed, 08 Aug 2012 15:19:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from linux1 (cpe-76-187-95-170.tx.res.rr.com. [76.187.95.170]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k8sm17906679oeh.9.2012.08.08.15.19.13 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 08 Aug 2012 15:19:14 -0700 (PDT) Sender: William Hubbs Received: by linux1 (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 08 Aug 2012 17:19:12 -0500 Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 17:19:12 -0500 From: William Hubbs To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Global Systemd USE Flag Message-ID: <20120808221912.GA1973@linux1> Mail-Followup-To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org References: <20120808161551.425c8e62@pomiocik.lan> <5022784C.5040201@gentoo.org> <502279B6.3080305@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="bg08WKrSYDhXBjb5" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <502279B6.3080305@gentoo.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Archives-Salt: da8e265f-1209-49bc-b62d-d325776c0a28 X-Archives-Hash: fd29c12fabe0239db73c57f70c24f2cf --bg08WKrSYDhXBjb5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Aug 08, 2012 at 10:37:42AM -0400, Richard Yao wrote: > > That doesn't work anymore - "improvement" in udev-186: > >=20 > > equery f udev | grep udevd > >=20 > > /usr/lib/systemd/systemd-udevd > >=20 > >=20 > > And as long as our maintainers refuse to use the proper paths this is > > just one of the little things that makes life more exciting for us. > >=20 > > Can we please add some sanity back? > >=20 >=20 > I second this suggestion. >=20 Folks, I am going to point out a couple of things. First, using /usr/lib/dirname/* for binaries does not break any linux or unix standards. There are many packages that do this. Some use libexec, but this is being changed to lib as I understand it. Second, upstream renaming a binary doesn't constitute breaking any standards. There is no rule or law that says, for example, that upstream udev must call their daemon udevd. What if they decide to change it to device-manager-daemon-for-linux? They can do exactly this if they want, and it is up to us, the packagers, to make sure that things don't break for our distributions. Third, putting daemons outside the path doesn't break any standards. Udev isn't the only package doing this. I believe, postfix, for one, doesn't install its daemons in a directory on the path, but I don't see anyone complaining about this. I don't see anything wrong with moving a deamon out of the path, because afaik in day-to-day operations, you don't run a daemon directly from the command line. it is started or stopped by your init system. So, I ask again. You keep complaining about "insanity". What's the insanity and why should we go to all of the extra effort you want us to go to to avoid it? William --bg08WKrSYDhXBjb5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlAi5eAACgkQblQW9DDEZTgC1gCfVd0Uly1pVmMunJBar1UQKxcm Nd4AniaYF5UyE5DAaZsR3y23xGWbG7/7 =0ZHs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --bg08WKrSYDhXBjb5--