From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 667A513800E for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 16:30:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B7759E0859; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 16:29:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 320E9E083B for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 16:28:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pomiocik.lan (77-254-77-13.adsl.inetia.pl [77.254.77.13]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: mgorny) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 89E421B4023; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 16:28:26 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 18:29:05 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?TWljaGHFgiBHw7Nybnk=?= To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Cc: d2racing911@gmail.com Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Questions about SystemD and OpenRC Message-ID: <20120807182905.0f8c0121@pomiocik.lan> In-Reply-To: References: <20120807141156.13030.qmail@stuge.se> Organization: Gentoo X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.11; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA256; boundary="Sig_/9gpzT_wHlnCB/53ciiv23CO"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: d14f31f6-98e5-47c0-b190-de0244612750 X-Archives-Hash: eeb049fb98b53398f17d2ee6b63215c7 --Sig_/9gpzT_wHlnCB/53ciiv23CO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 11:33:59 -0400 Sylvain Alain wrote: > The KDE team seems to work on that too : > http://lists.kde.org/?l=3Dkde-core-devel&m=3D134052539215508&w=3D2 it's actually worth it. more user-spread FUD or however you like to call it on the topic than I'm not sure if *devs* are actually working on that. I believe there's =20 > Now I understand why some devs are working hard to make Mdev working > with OpenRC. different, you could as well disable USE=3Dudev and use regular udev. equivalent to KDE/GNOME/whatever without anything? And if it's no But you are aware that KDE/GNOME/whatever+mdev would be practically > They want to replace Udev/SystemD with Mdev/OpenRC and solve this > situation. >=20 > Sylvain aka d2_racing >=20 > 2012/8/7 Rich Freeman >=20 > > On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Peter Stuge wrote: > > > Yes, but if the upstream that is Gnome decides to start depending > > > on systemd features then that's their decision, and the place to > > > discuss if it's good or bad (more important, the place to change > > > it!) would be within the Gnome project. > > > > More or less, but again my goal was not to start another discussion > > - just to inform. Anybody inclined to comment on whether this is > > good or bad should go look at the list archives and see if any of > > the 400 messages in the last month already covered their points. > > > > > > > > I guess Gentoo will always continue to offer the best of upstream. > > > > I don't think Gentoo has to limit itself to what upstream supports > > (I don't think anybody would look at Prefix and say that this was > > what any upstream had in mind). However, the bottom line is that > > to do something exotic takes effort, so nothing will happen unless > > somebody makes it happen. > > > > > > > > OTOH, if upstream goes and make some change that means a > > > regression for Gentoo users, then they deserve bug report floods > > > from their users! > > :) > > > > Perhaps, but don't count on it going anywhere. With Gnome 3 they > > must already have pretty thick skin. I suspect upstream would say > > that if you want a smooth desktop experience you shouldn't be > > running Gentoo. To some degree they probably even have a valid > > point. Gentoo is about more than a just-works desktop so I think > > the best we'll be able to offer is a "reasonable" experience. If > > things get really integrated you might see some Sabayon-like forks > > favoring particular DEs/etc, and as long as those forks contribute > > to our main tree I think that is good for all of us. > > > > Rich > > > > >=20 >=20 --=20 Best regards, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny --Sig_/9gpzT_wHlnCB/53ciiv23CO Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iJwEAQEIAAYFAlAhQlEACgkQfXuS5UK5QB2gYgP+JSFe7OmqWznpOEBNjdmmLQNX 8Gpt/aaDLJ9wiLu0wkEZFdW4m0iFti935SUovMsaFqg9efa7x6DooNd+mHdw3LwW T/voazmlmjzPtFuHSuTa9xwWn4+3wJsLSKTj9nQx6CalOWzeONG9nW+gevpmUemE ysd3+rNpDDLBeysKHLs= =rY7d -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/9gpzT_wHlnCB/53ciiv23CO--