From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75D1513800E for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 15:48:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 03316E063F; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 15:47:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 522C1E0459 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 15:47:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pomiocik.lan (77-255-14-109.adsl.inetia.pl [77.255.14.109]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: mgorny) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BD5771B4032; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 15:46:59 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 17:47:24 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?TWljaGHFgiBHw7Nybnk=?= To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Cc: quantumsummers@gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] UTF-8 locale by default Message-ID: <20120803174724.05ffe88c@pomiocik.lan> In-Reply-To: References: <3146937.NEprMvEFLe@mephista> <5016AD71.5070602@gentoo.org> <201208012218.19190.dilfridge@gentoo.org> <501991B6.7010603@orlitzky.com> <20120802002002.GA24507@waltdnes.org> <20120802064259.GQ49719@gentoo.org> <501AC534.2020306@flameeyes.eu> Organization: Gentoo X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.11; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA256; boundary="Sig_/+N2kMxi84GQVb=Ofb3Q/nQV"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: d4eecb0f-1f9b-479d-80ec-7ff54ea3f5dc X-Archives-Hash: c4f3c69874a97908cd867a7c1cbc8b6b --Sig_/+N2kMxi84GQVb=Ofb3Q/nQV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 3 Aug 2012 09:59:42 -0500 Matthew Summers wrote: > On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Mike Gilbert > wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Diego Elio Petten=C3=B2 > > wrote: > >> On 01/08/2012 23:42, Fabian Groffen wrote: > >>> Honestly, if some asian person has whatever charset that I often > >>> find in spam messages, but is not UTF-8, are you then going to > >>> tell that person to switch to UTF-8 to get those python packages > >>> emerged? I hope not. > >> > >> Tell that to the Python team I guess. My tinderbox _has_ utf8 > >> locales available, but doesn't set in by default -> Python stuff > >> fails to build or test -> not going to be fixed with "change your > >> locale" reasoning. > >> > >> Is it mental? Yes. > >> Would I like that to change? Yes. > >> Do I care =E1=BA=83hether that's through the use of cluebyfour on the > >> Python team or by setting an utf-8 locale by default? Not in the > >> least. > >> > > > > Please apply the cluebyfour to the upstream developers of python and > > python modules. :-) > > > > I do try to fix unicode problems if I run into them. However, > > sometimes it just isn't worth the effort. > > >=20 > Python upstream is doing what they think is best in using unicode. >=20 > That said, what if we just temporarily set a locale in the ebuild for > running tests and elsewhere? Is this unreasonable or impossible? It > might not be a great solution, this method, since users' stuff will > still break. It is impossible because you can't know which locale a particular system has available. AFAIK there's no 'it-will-always-work' choice; unless we're going to enforce generating some common locale, or do very ugly things. >=20 > Further, I support the use of C.UTF-8 when it is ready. It seems like > the lowest common denominator to me. --=20 Best regards, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny --Sig_/+N2kMxi84GQVb=Ofb3Q/nQV Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iJwEAQEIAAYFAlAb8pEACgkQfXuS5UK5QB0L0AQAjzqJBvK/9WBjnmN6llrwvymr DZ28CfShKky/WRYvVIHm48A6omBA9EeFMtI/Zn/o9mNLg+0eA/MIdx9467oubDS8 4rsjC7P0AmuR5qg9KtCykGjInoShs4l+yP3CjbvZfqp/6iZPzbmGbPaK1F/dA9yL TIynkOmyJMMzdqli2gc= =otVg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/+N2kMxi84GQVb=Ofb3Q/nQV--