From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52A3513800E for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 16:45:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9ABF4E0509; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 16:44:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F88AE0417 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 16:28:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pomiocik.lan (87-205-56-136.adsl.inetia.pl [87.205.56.136]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: mgorny) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D46321B400F; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 16:28:31 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:28:24 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?TWljaGHFgiBHw7Nybnk=?= To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Cc: michael@orlitzky.com Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] UTF-8 locale by default Message-ID: <20120730182824.0b679d8a@pomiocik.lan> In-Reply-To: <50169F35.60504@orlitzky.com> References: <3146937.NEprMvEFLe@mephista> <20498.15988.225230.614853@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <501285DC.2020207@gentoo.org> <201207271324.48571.vapier@gentoo.org> <1343413763.7511.1.camel@belkin4> <5012F712.7030806@gentoo.org> <50169BB8.4030408@orlitzky.com> <20120730164141.1573fadd@pomiocik.lan> <50169F35.60504@orlitzky.com> Organization: Gentoo X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.11; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA256; boundary="Sig_/Nsn7p0AT.uPV+D=yGmZ.2co"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: c05416fd-111e-4fd4-b891-269ae1fa3d2b X-Archives-Hash: e00fefc88071ad606f0a6631844508b3 --Sig_/Nsn7p0AT.uPV+D=yGmZ.2co Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 10:50:29 -0400 Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 07/30/12 10:41, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: > > On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 10:35:36 -0400 > > Michael Orlitzky wrote: > >=20 > >> On 07/27/12 16:16, Aaron W. Swenson wrote: > >>> > >>> No user will be happy with whatever we decide to use as a default. > >> > >> The defaults should be what's best for the most people, with a bias > >> towards safety. Why don't we just take a survey and choose the most > >> common utf8 response? > >=20 > > How can you take a survey like that? How will you ensure it actually > > hits the majority? How will you define the majority? > >=20 >=20 > Considering that the alternative is to force everyone to change it > manually, you can do it however you want and it'll be an improvement. My point here is that you want the thing to change. So you first try to convince people here to change. We practically did a small survey here and in the result we didn't agree on doing the change. So you're saying we should do another survey on another group, hoping that this time the result will be on your side. > 1) Create a webpage with a bunch of options, count the results >=20 > 2) Ask the g.o mailing lists, count responses manually >=20 > 3) Use google docs like the website survey that went out a few days > ago >=20 > It won't hit everyone, but no survey ever does. As long as you get a > large enough unbiased sample, it doesn't matter. And anything would be > an improvement, so it doesn't matter anyway. It depends on who the 'unbiased sample' is. Are you interested only in opinion of Gentoo users who visit the website? Who sync once a day? Once a week? Who follow Gentoo Planet? Who participate in the forums? We can create the survey and announce it everywhere. But it still won't catch many old-time Gentoo users who can actually have something opposite to say. It won't be unbiased. --=20 Best regards, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny --Sig_/Nsn7p0AT.uPV+D=yGmZ.2co Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iJwEAQEIAAYFAlAWtigACgkQfXuS5UK5QB3OmwQAmZmF8Y/h6zPkHKaC4ZEhJbp9 vzpgk4XqHHxci9Sbg8xUbDwmW5y006coqbjQK0HWyoF7u6e6T8p+8xOMrAqs9X+y X/0WQ/qdSR1i7fq+OP3iJuXK+ql9I/IvnjDgyxptZadki7PS0W9sRC97W/I6cNOU BabPF0UGlZakFrrceRs= =Fr6y -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/Nsn7p0AT.uPV+D=yGmZ.2co--