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From: Mike Frysinger <vapier@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] My wishlist for EAPI 5
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 01:25:32 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201206290125.33488.vapier@gentoo.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4FE231BA.6020404@gentoo.org>

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On Wednesday 20 June 2012 16:25:30 Richard Yao wrote:
> Multilib (and/or multiarch) support

Thomas already has multilib documents put together for review.  multiarch 
doesn't make sense for us, and even if it did, there's no way it'd be spec-ed 
out in a reasonable time frame for EAPI=5 (or even 6 or 7 or ...).

> 	The current binaries cause a great deal of pain, particularly when a
> user does not want to upgrade something. I had this problem with WINE
> and glibc because I wanted to avoid the reverse memcpy() fiasco on my
> systems. This situation would have been avoided entirely if the package
> manager supported multilib.

i don't buy this argument and makes me think when you say "multilib", you 
don't actually mean "multilib".

> Automated epatch_user support
> 	Users should be able to test patches without modifying their ebuilds.
> This also saves developer time because we don't need to navigate the
> portage tree (or an overlay), make a change and test it. We could just
> dump the patch in the appropriate directory and build.

putting forth an idea is one thing.  working out the technical aspects is 
different.  this sounds like something destined for EAPI=6: currently, 
epatch_user uses epatch, and that provides a lot of dynamic patch support that 
doesn't fit well with being spec-ed out / encoded in PMS.

> Parallel make checks

SGTM

> POSIX Shell compliance
> 	There has been a great deal of work done to give the user full control
> of what is on his system and there is more that we can do there. In
> particular, I think a lean Gentoo Linux system should be able to use
> busybox sh and nothing else. That requires POSIX shell compliance.
> OpenRC init scripts support this and the configure scripts support this.
> The few exceptions are bugs that are addressed by the Gentoo BSD
> developers. As such, I think we should make EAPI=5 use POSIX shell by
> default. If an ebuild requires bash, we can allow the ebuild to declare
> that (e.g. WANT_SH=bash), but that should be the exception and not the
> rule.

not a chance, and your logic about "choice" really makes no sense in the 
ebuild context.  read the archives wrt Roy Maples (sadly) burning out for in-
depth details as to why this is a no-go.
-mike

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      parent reply	other threads:[~2012-06-29  5:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-06-20 20:25 [gentoo-dev] My wishlist for EAPI 5 Richard Yao
2012-06-20 20:35 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-06-20 20:50   ` Richard Yao
2012-06-20 20:54     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-06-20 21:02       ` Richard Yao
2012-06-20 21:10         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-06-20 21:05       ` Richard Yao
2012-06-20 21:12         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-06-20 21:34           ` Richard Yao
2012-06-21  8:29     ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2012-06-21  9:23       ` Richard Yao
2012-06-22  0:38       ` Richard Yao
2012-06-22  5:30         ` Duncan
2012-06-22  5:55         ` Michał Górny
2012-06-22  6:20         ` Ben de Groot
2012-06-20 21:43   ` [gentoo-dev] " Justin
2012-06-21  6:08     ` Pacho Ramos
2012-06-21  7:00       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-06-21  7:25         ` Pacho Ramos
2012-06-21  7:39           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-06-23  7:53             ` Pacho Ramos
2012-06-23  9:38               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-06-23  9:53                 ` Peter Stuge
2012-06-23 10:24                   ` Pacho Ramos
2012-06-23 10:30                     ` Pacho Ramos
2012-06-23 10:31                     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-06-23 11:05                       ` Pacho Ramos
2012-06-23 11:14                         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-06-23 11:38                           ` Peter Stuge
2012-06-23 11:37                             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-06-23 11:52                               ` Peter Stuge
2012-06-23 11:59                                 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-06-23 12:16                                   ` Pacho Ramos
2012-06-23 12:21                                     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-06-23 12:11                               ` Pacho Ramos
2012-06-23 12:16                                 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-06-23 12:33                                   ` Pacho Ramos
2012-06-23 10:37                 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2012-06-23 10:43                   ` Duncan
2012-06-23 10:44                   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-06-23 11:12                     ` Rich Freeman
2012-06-23 23:09                       ` Duncan
2012-06-21  9:27           ` [gentoo-dev] " Alec Warner
2012-06-21 12:04             ` Rich Freeman
2012-06-23  8:19             ` Pacho Ramos
2012-06-21 11:15           ` Patrick Lauer
2012-06-21 11:37             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-06-23  8:01             ` Pacho Ramos
2012-06-21 12:11         ` Homer Parker
2012-06-21 12:30           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-06-21 13:13             ` Homer Parker
2012-06-21 13:20               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-06-21 20:26                 ` Homer Parker
2012-06-21 22:46                   ` Rich Freeman
2012-06-29  5:27           ` Mike Frysinger
2012-06-29  5:29         ` Mike Frysinger
2012-06-21  6:41     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-06-21  7:24       ` justin
2012-06-21 12:14         ` Homer Parker
2012-06-21 12:38           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-06-20 20:39 ` Maxim Kammerer
2012-06-20 20:41   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-06-20 20:51   ` Richard Yao
2012-06-29  5:20   ` Mike Frysinger
2012-06-20 20:52 ` Luca Barbato
2012-06-20 21:33 ` Alec Warner
2012-06-21  9:42   ` Ben de Groot
2012-06-29  5:25 ` Mike Frysinger [this message]

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