From: Mike Frysinger <vapier@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] My wishlist for EAPI 5
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 01:25:32 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <201206290125.33488.vapier@gentoo.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4FE231BA.6020404@gentoo.org>
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On Wednesday 20 June 2012 16:25:30 Richard Yao wrote:
> Multilib (and/or multiarch) support
Thomas already has multilib documents put together for review. multiarch
doesn't make sense for us, and even if it did, there's no way it'd be spec-ed
out in a reasonable time frame for EAPI=5 (or even 6 or 7 or ...).
> The current binaries cause a great deal of pain, particularly when a
> user does not want to upgrade something. I had this problem with WINE
> and glibc because I wanted to avoid the reverse memcpy() fiasco on my
> systems. This situation would have been avoided entirely if the package
> manager supported multilib.
i don't buy this argument and makes me think when you say "multilib", you
don't actually mean "multilib".
> Automated epatch_user support
> Users should be able to test patches without modifying their ebuilds.
> This also saves developer time because we don't need to navigate the
> portage tree (or an overlay), make a change and test it. We could just
> dump the patch in the appropriate directory and build.
putting forth an idea is one thing. working out the technical aspects is
different. this sounds like something destined for EAPI=6: currently,
epatch_user uses epatch, and that provides a lot of dynamic patch support that
doesn't fit well with being spec-ed out / encoded in PMS.
> Parallel make checks
SGTM
> POSIX Shell compliance
> There has been a great deal of work done to give the user full control
> of what is on his system and there is more that we can do there. In
> particular, I think a lean Gentoo Linux system should be able to use
> busybox sh and nothing else. That requires POSIX shell compliance.
> OpenRC init scripts support this and the configure scripts support this.
> The few exceptions are bugs that are addressed by the Gentoo BSD
> developers. As such, I think we should make EAPI=5 use POSIX shell by
> default. If an ebuild requires bash, we can allow the ebuild to declare
> that (e.g. WANT_SH=bash), but that should be the exception and not the
> rule.
not a chance, and your logic about "choice" really makes no sense in the
ebuild context. read the archives wrt Roy Maples (sadly) burning out for in-
depth details as to why this is a no-go.
-mike
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Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-06-20 20:25 [gentoo-dev] My wishlist for EAPI 5 Richard Yao
2012-06-20 20:35 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-06-20 20:50 ` Richard Yao
2012-06-20 20:54 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-06-20 21:02 ` Richard Yao
2012-06-20 21:10 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-06-20 21:05 ` Richard Yao
2012-06-20 21:12 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-06-20 21:34 ` Richard Yao
2012-06-21 8:29 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2012-06-21 9:23 ` Richard Yao
2012-06-22 0:38 ` Richard Yao
2012-06-22 5:30 ` Duncan
2012-06-22 5:55 ` Michał Górny
2012-06-22 6:20 ` Ben de Groot
2012-06-20 21:43 ` [gentoo-dev] " Justin
2012-06-21 6:08 ` Pacho Ramos
2012-06-21 7:00 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-06-21 7:25 ` Pacho Ramos
2012-06-21 7:39 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-06-23 7:53 ` Pacho Ramos
2012-06-23 9:38 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-06-23 9:53 ` Peter Stuge
2012-06-23 10:24 ` Pacho Ramos
2012-06-23 10:30 ` Pacho Ramos
2012-06-23 10:31 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-06-23 11:05 ` Pacho Ramos
2012-06-23 11:14 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-06-23 11:38 ` Peter Stuge
2012-06-23 11:37 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-06-23 11:52 ` Peter Stuge
2012-06-23 11:59 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-06-23 12:16 ` Pacho Ramos
2012-06-23 12:21 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-06-23 12:11 ` Pacho Ramos
2012-06-23 12:16 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-06-23 12:33 ` Pacho Ramos
2012-06-23 10:37 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2012-06-23 10:43 ` Duncan
2012-06-23 10:44 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-06-23 11:12 ` Rich Freeman
2012-06-23 23:09 ` Duncan
2012-06-21 9:27 ` [gentoo-dev] " Alec Warner
2012-06-21 12:04 ` Rich Freeman
2012-06-23 8:19 ` Pacho Ramos
2012-06-21 11:15 ` Patrick Lauer
2012-06-21 11:37 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-06-23 8:01 ` Pacho Ramos
2012-06-21 12:11 ` Homer Parker
2012-06-21 12:30 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-06-21 13:13 ` Homer Parker
2012-06-21 13:20 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-06-21 20:26 ` Homer Parker
2012-06-21 22:46 ` Rich Freeman
2012-06-29 5:27 ` Mike Frysinger
2012-06-29 5:29 ` Mike Frysinger
2012-06-21 6:41 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-06-21 7:24 ` justin
2012-06-21 12:14 ` Homer Parker
2012-06-21 12:38 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-06-20 20:39 ` Maxim Kammerer
2012-06-20 20:41 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-06-20 20:51 ` Richard Yao
2012-06-29 5:20 ` Mike Frysinger
2012-06-20 20:52 ` Luca Barbato
2012-06-20 21:33 ` Alec Warner
2012-06-21 9:42 ` Ben de Groot
2012-06-29 5:25 ` Mike Frysinger [this message]
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