From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1SiMsC-0003UP-NC for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 09:43:21 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 378A121C087; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 09:43:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wi0-f175.google.com (mail-wi0-f175.google.com [209.85.212.175]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6957B21C07E for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 09:42:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wibhn6 with SMTP id hn6so1132830wib.10 for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 02:42:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type; bh=djlAtu4Rvw6cXeY57ivS9EIuHooWEqdWo7kO4Sw2NYY=; b=E832tsvp1DjJgPG3DM58bkok8g07HOBOk7OcdVdG+9vMlm4jsICaua8fDMiFVMktnX UqH0ZSqn2rNh1AWNLgah34zpEid4X5twJ0VzGyNmbylwOcOqQ3MbSWdv2SE4VYAczjuR gzOmxYjgmPWSK3SGfmoznEzTIhZz/uf6qDTrEWdMz6YQCAqJvVG8drlX6d7rn8j1QGZ8 xaMW0eG4iv3TDH8PjE0Q77rJJd+bSfKL3BUvZCq4Gtx8fRuVn2VG7VQ4mT0rFUU9EfaZ KGJwg0JxxaYP99B19VuCsF+9XxLGbLTHmz6LmTOG8aRlIz055vwjNwrIFSSz8Q8/FXWI nT9Q== Received: by 10.180.96.106 with SMTP id dr10mr10700685wib.3.1340444544694; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 02:42:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (cpc13-broo7-2-0-cust130.14-2.cable.virginmedia.com. [82.9.16.131]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fu8sm2342970wib.5.2012.06.23.02.42.23 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 23 Jun 2012 02:42:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 10:38:33 +0100 From: Ciaran McCreesh To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] My wishlist for EAPI 5 Message-ID: <20120623103833.6b9cb91e@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <1340438017.5979.11.camel@belkin4> References: <4FE231BA.6020404@gentoo.org> <20120620213518.4baf8150@googlemail.com> <4FE24408.40302@gentoo.org> <1340258936.2470.5.camel@belkin4> <20120621080039.0724cf8d@googlemail.com> <1340263510.2470.18.camel@belkin4> <20120621083945.345d661a@googlemail.com> <1340438017.5979.11.camel@belkin4> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.10; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/H5nUZ2oP0xcH7gF9X7HFASg"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: 9724d6eb-4222-488d-b65f-0dc89bb504ba X-Archives-Hash: e77c88d0ff2037bcbc4f8ac3e1dd51fe --Sig_/H5nUZ2oP0xcH7gF9X7HFASg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 23 Jun 2012 09:53:37 +0200 Pacho Ramos wrote: > Don't you see this way of handling things, with such and obscure way > of getting things accepted for every EAPI is really hurting us? What is hurting is people demanding features without specifying what the problem is, how it will be solved or what the impact on users or developers will be, and then taking up everyone's time with complaints when they don't get magical flying unicorns instantly. If you want something, you either have to do the work yourself, or find someone to do it. And here's the thing: you're assuming that "the work" is trivial, which for some of the things you're discussing it really isn't. The PMS wording is the trivial bit that comes at the end once the problem and solution have been worked out. --=20 Ciaran McCreesh --Sig_/H5nUZ2oP0xcH7gF9X7HFASg Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk/ljpwACgkQ96zL6DUtXhGQmQCgp3EC0OJYraQCV80gAmiZmi+5 aD0An1Sb/toZjh9EUIrD5h1ZEtXSgPVN =CiPw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/H5nUZ2oP0xcH7gF9X7HFASg--