From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Shwpm-0003Dh-P2 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 05:55:07 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0DECCE0CB8; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 05:54:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42537E0B3F for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 05:54:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pomiocik.lan (77-255-3-88.adsl.inetia.pl [77.255.3.88]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: mgorny) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8F1DA1B4001; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 05:54:15 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 07:55:43 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?TWljaGHFgiBHw7Nybnk=?= To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Cc: ryao@gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: My wishlist for EAPI 5 Message-ID: <20120622075543.63591c10@pomiocik.lan> In-Reply-To: <4FE3BE79.6020305@gentoo.org> References: <4FE231BA.6020404@gentoo.org> <20120620213518.4baf8150@googlemail.com> <4FE23799.5080003@gentoo.org> <4FE3BE79.6020305@gentoo.org> Organization: Gentoo X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.10; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA256; boundary="Sig_/Sull/3_9njZF5LqXXg4S7Uc"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: 57122809-b3cf-46fb-8da5-dbe74a9c038d X-Archives-Hash: 5fe70bad0493bcd66c6d85328bd4a22d --Sig_/Sull/3_9njZF5LqXXg4S7Uc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 20:38:17 -0400 Richard Yao wrote: > On 06/21/2012 04:29 AM, Duncan wrote: > > Richard Yao posted on Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:50:33 -0400 as excerpted: > >=20 > >> On 06/20/2012 04:35 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > >>> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:25:30 -0400 Richard Yao > >>> wrote: > >=20 > >>>> POSIX Shell compliance > >>> > >>> So far as I know, every PM relies heavily upon bash anyway (and > >>> can't easily be made not to), so even if developers would accept > >>> having to rewrite all their eclasses, it still wouldn't remove > >>> the dep. > >>> > >> Lets address POSIX compliance in the ebuilds first. Then we can > >> deal with the package managers. > >=20 > > Additionally, this is extremely unlikely because a number of > > developers insist on bash, to the extent that it would likely split > > gentoo in half if this were to be forced. It wouldn't pass > > council. It's unlikely to even /get/ to council. > >=20 > > Openrc could move to POSIX shell because its primary dev at the > > time wanted it that way and it's only a single package. However, > > even then, doing it was controversial enough that said developer > > ended up leaving gentoo in-part over that, tho he did continue to > > develop openrc as a gentoo hosted project for quite some years. > > Now you're talking trying to do it for /every/ (well, almost every) > > package, thus touching every single gentoo dev. It's just not > > going to happen in even the medium term (say for argument APIs > > 5-7ish), let alone be something practical enough to implement, soon > > enough (even if everyone agreed on the general idea, they don't), > > to be anything like conceivable for EAPI5. > >=20 > > So just let that one be. It's simply not worth tilting at that > > windmill. >=20 > Would you (or someone else) elaborate on the specific features of bash > that people find attractive? Local variables, reasonable behavior (like 'FOO=3Dabc bar' where bar is macro), arrays, [[ ]] tests (which are obviously faster than calling external test program). One more use: printing useful die messages (in POSIX sh there's no way to do a backtrace). --=20 Best regards, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny --Sig_/Sull/3_9njZF5LqXXg4S7Uc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iJwEAQEIAAYFAk/kCOQACgkQfXuS5UK5QB2MdgQAj0Ij+kmlb19hzaXNle5Ghhmy +wQVn+1GD/krTo0UXTm+vYftu+TwmrHeRDwcDuBDU/xT2yFu8ZdgCgBPzZQnr/bt y+kMdjA95HGMKLyctZPeZnuam4ZdzHOaU30/HWSG0k8jq5g0XzWwzewDJSbxVAAO jNDWa2n9rjknoVdncrU= =bhCU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/Sull/3_9njZF5LqXXg4S7Uc--