From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1ShhJZ-0004Gr-WC for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 13:20:50 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AC78EE0BBB; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 13:20:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wi0-f181.google.com (mail-wi0-f181.google.com [209.85.212.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BCB0E0B98 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 13:20:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wibhn14 with SMTP id hn14so498470wib.10 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 06:20:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type; bh=HNHKZk1COVXTVnXY77ZZ26coDyr7bHtXaOpDGhE5alA=; b=zJbN/KJdWGzG8ZP5LE1F05+xEIlPJ98heVidQ1xKqM2aY39aEzwlwVJ67w5F22y2P/ vMu+RVzN8ZREuMMA8hwsIkFZoO2MDekXuZhMuFRxYDZaogeWU956k5aCyNrYZ5iuz1OU t4kc6F7jBU3AGdNFVlbhrHA2mshcEXn8U8ZWTRRAl8auDn5ID9PUCXhfRC+VxzH/1gtX G7DvqK/zTPna8I7PPBc7j5MN07Y/SK8A+m5BucSR6i4e3NXIlX252fMqZK5ykUbux77l aHqa8w6iAwiiE/52cCjOXkyVCA1H7daN9TmdNML/jn3fyYmNRTegR+/J4jYUfoKS4I/C 1yLQ== Received: by 10.216.211.8 with SMTP id v8mr13600417weo.176.1340284802144; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 06:20:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from snowbell (switch57.dcs.gla.ac.uk. [130.209.241.107]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id db7sm45840304wib.6.2012.06.21.06.20.01 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 21 Jun 2012 06:20:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 14:20:00 +0100 From: Ciaran McCreesh To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] My wishlist for EAPI 5 Message-ID: <20120621142000.58aefaa1@snowbell> In-Reply-To: <1340284430.5028.15.camel@homer> References: <4FE231BA.6020404@gentoo.org> <20120620213518.4baf8150@googlemail.com> <4FE24408.40302@gentoo.org> <1340258936.2470.5.camel@belkin4> <20120621080039.0724cf8d@googlemail.com> <1340280687.5028.6.camel@homer> <20120621133048.416c6ccd@snowbell> <1340284430.5028.15.camel@homer> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.8 (GTK+ 2.24.4; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/FX2ckNH+LQyGM2gUCSk7g.3"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: 84aa24db-ed46-48e0-b193-6df9f544c117 X-Archives-Hash: 9e3bc6ffcb1e02552c7c366ca5054192 --Sig_/FX2ckNH+LQyGM2gUCSk7g.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 08:13:50 -0500 Homer Parker wrote: > > And what did Gentoo get out of it? > >=20 > > What I remember is Gentoo putting in lots of work randomly changing > > things until things worked, and ending up not knowing what most of > > those changes were or why they were done. The end result is that > > there's still a random smattering of multilib-related mess > > cluttering up ebuild internals that doesn't actually do anything > > except cause intermittent breakages. Doing experiments is great as > > a way of understanding the problem, but it isn't how you deliver a > > solution. That takes a lot more work, and someone has to be > > prepared to do it. >=20 > The hell? Other distos where still thinking of how to > implement multilib and we had it. I know first hand as I trashed a > system trying out the latest-n-greatest.. And the next round fixed > it. The -emul packages from then on along with the multilib profiles > have worked fine. ...so why are people running around demanding that reinventing multilib is the number one priority and has to be in EAPI 5 immediately then? I was under the impression that your fellow developers don't consider the -emul packages to be an adequate solution. If that isn't the case, and the existing mechanism is in fact fine as you claim, then great, we can ignore multilib from an EAPI perspective. I can only go on what your colleagues are claiming here. I suggest if you're upset at the suggestion that Gentoo doesn't have a decent multilib implementation then you take it up with all the people who are demanding the PMS team provide them with one. --=20 Ciaran McCreesh --Sig_/FX2ckNH+LQyGM2gUCSk7g.3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk/jH4AACgkQ96zL6DUtXhEzNACfcz/9DJBVVr3VkTVhgjoFHttH L9oAoJ85nG4vXIhHXIQ2DLUktfCqKDDv =kgR7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/FX2ckNH+LQyGM2gUCSk7g.3--