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From: Ciaran McCreesh <ciaran.mccreesh@googlemail.com>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] My wishlist for EAPI 5
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 13:30:48 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120621133048.416c6ccd@snowbell> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1340280687.5028.6.camel@homer>

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On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 07:11:27 -0500
Homer Parker <hparker@gentoo.org> wrote:
> On Thu, 2012-06-21 at 08:00 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > In case you're not aware, the first time Gentoo did multilib, it was
> > done as a series of random changes to Portage that no-one really
> > thought through or understood. As you can see, that didn't work... 
> 
> 	No, but paved the way for other distros as they had nothing
> even close. I'm sure you remember back then. Don't be an ass.

And what did Gentoo get out of it?

What I remember is Gentoo putting in lots of work randomly changing
things until things worked, and ending up not knowing what most of
those changes were or why they were done. The end result is that
there's still a random smattering of multilib-related mess cluttering
up ebuild internals that doesn't actually do anything except cause
intermittent breakages. Doing experiments is great as a way of
understanding the problem, but it isn't how you deliver a solution.
That takes a lot more work, and someone has to be prepared to do it.

-- 
Ciaran McCreesh

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  reply	other threads:[~2012-06-21 12:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-06-20 20:25 [gentoo-dev] My wishlist for EAPI 5 Richard Yao
2012-06-20 20:35 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-06-20 20:50   ` Richard Yao
2012-06-20 20:54     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-06-20 21:02       ` Richard Yao
2012-06-20 21:10         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-06-20 21:05       ` Richard Yao
2012-06-20 21:12         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-06-20 21:34           ` Richard Yao
2012-06-21  8:29     ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2012-06-21  9:23       ` Richard Yao
2012-06-22  0:38       ` Richard Yao
2012-06-22  5:30         ` Duncan
2012-06-22  5:55         ` Michał Górny
2012-06-22  6:20         ` Ben de Groot
2012-06-20 21:43   ` [gentoo-dev] " Justin
2012-06-21  6:08     ` Pacho Ramos
2012-06-21  7:00       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-06-21  7:25         ` Pacho Ramos
2012-06-21  7:39           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-06-23  7:53             ` Pacho Ramos
2012-06-23  9:38               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-06-23  9:53                 ` Peter Stuge
2012-06-23 10:24                   ` Pacho Ramos
2012-06-23 10:30                     ` Pacho Ramos
2012-06-23 10:31                     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-06-23 11:05                       ` Pacho Ramos
2012-06-23 11:14                         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-06-23 11:38                           ` Peter Stuge
2012-06-23 11:37                             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-06-23 11:52                               ` Peter Stuge
2012-06-23 11:59                                 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-06-23 12:16                                   ` Pacho Ramos
2012-06-23 12:21                                     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-06-23 12:11                               ` Pacho Ramos
2012-06-23 12:16                                 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-06-23 12:33                                   ` Pacho Ramos
2012-06-23 10:37                 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2012-06-23 10:43                   ` Duncan
2012-06-23 10:44                   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-06-23 11:12                     ` Rich Freeman
2012-06-23 23:09                       ` Duncan
2012-06-21  9:27           ` [gentoo-dev] " Alec Warner
2012-06-21 12:04             ` Rich Freeman
2012-06-23  8:19             ` Pacho Ramos
2012-06-21 11:15           ` Patrick Lauer
2012-06-21 11:37             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-06-23  8:01             ` Pacho Ramos
2012-06-21 12:11         ` Homer Parker
2012-06-21 12:30           ` Ciaran McCreesh [this message]
2012-06-21 13:13             ` Homer Parker
2012-06-21 13:20               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-06-21 20:26                 ` Homer Parker
2012-06-21 22:46                   ` Rich Freeman
2012-06-29  5:27           ` Mike Frysinger
2012-06-29  5:29         ` Mike Frysinger
2012-06-21  6:41     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-06-21  7:24       ` justin
2012-06-21 12:14         ` Homer Parker
2012-06-21 12:38           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-06-20 20:39 ` Maxim Kammerer
2012-06-20 20:41   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-06-20 20:51   ` Richard Yao
2012-06-29  5:20   ` Mike Frysinger
2012-06-20 20:52 ` Luca Barbato
2012-06-20 21:33 ` Alec Warner
2012-06-21  9:42   ` Ben de Groot
2012-06-29  5:25 ` Mike Frysinger

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