From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Sbcfd-0002A4-J5 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 19:10:29 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0FF1BE09AF; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 19:10:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pz0-f53.google.com (mail-pz0-f53.google.com [209.85.210.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 727FBE06C1 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 19:09:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by dadg9 with SMTP id g9so7375775dad.40 for ; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 12:09:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=VqhpNaDNK1tcQGsXFP+sdsGEKPTFZ0IMvnwJv1F7vyk=; b=iLZFq4W1SCMlOHK3aX5+lafQRlBFTO0wRxIw9hWchcMxmUzeztokM9aaFUiMFwTnV6 RRUZt+BYUxhK6Ao5XjICXt6lCxlDIzaa55UV9qzwml58qoM75RiR5iM4VemlygHBeTi7 HkbZ/hO/Qd1PoXtSESHnfToZYi9Bq8Xhv/LtC0DGEVz/6cJ9iLnV/+VzCUTGqoIpqpIH 9xj3lv+tjVDZvI4csYua59+W22C/tZMOwu8S0qhZLcChliSrBC/1GZE9ipHeExTZH3Ax xPM8srAn/pwS8PEMxAHBMpun7U26FMjWtEPf9UbLeicXyIIgT+sliCIsOmgAe4oyeh+0 jZ2A== Received: by 10.68.138.161 with SMTP id qr1mr4618264pbb.37.1338836978801; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 12:09:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.gmail.com:587 (74-95-192-101-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net. [74.95.192.101]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id jw3sm14158077pbc.65.2012.06.04.12.09.36 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 04 Jun 2012 12:09:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by smtp.gmail.com:587 (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Mon, 04 Jun 2012 12:10:00 -0700 Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 12:10:00 -0700 From: Brian Harring To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Git braindump: 1 of N: merging & git signing Message-ID: <20120604191000.GA3692@localhost> References: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Archives-Salt: 3e6bd5e8-c543-48bb-bd64-f5c673fb4f23 X-Archives-Hash: 1ec348bc865a73695adad2c2e8f4b783 On Mon, Jun 04, 2012 at 08:45:42PM +0200, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote: > On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 7:25 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > > Anything we do has to be automated to be of any real value. ??Ideally > > if something goes wrong it should be as detectable as possible. > > Yeah, but you'd have to part of that at every developer's box. > > Can we just agree that having the tip of the main tree always signed > will be enough for now, and postpone the rest of the discussion until > later? ToT is always going to be signed. If it *isn't* signed, either the infra machinery is broken and not rejecting commits that it should reject, or someone is trojaning the repo (either via an infra compromise, local compromise, or via man in the middle). One thing people need to keep in mind here is that when you sign the commit, you're signing off on the history implicitly. Directly addressing freeman's comment about "people sign the manifest but don't look at what they're signing", when it comes to git signage, bluntly, people doing that shouldn't have access- if they can't be arsed to validate what they're signing, then trusting them w/ the tree is probably questionable. Harsh, but frankly, sane people don't sign enforcable contracts w/out verifying what they're signing (note the 'enforcable' bit, stated to head off the EULA rathole discussion); this isn't any different frankly. ~harring