From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1SSZoq-0001EN-Cr for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 10 May 2012 20:18:36 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3A3CAE0C03; Thu, 10 May 2012 20:18:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wi0-f181.google.com (mail-wi0-f181.google.com [209.85.212.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B3C8E0C50 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 20:17:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wibhn14 with SMTP id hn14so927423wib.10 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 13:17:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type; bh=Qd9maH89cmIIRB2W/N+ZMwFHtuu2DMzKNY6F02ESYA4=; b=xoBJdpE60mTlECe1g3h3/+IRaEuoUIiHvTVtZ1up+O44S47StAkr8tATtDTnbCTmwz eyidkj/hzunp9rk3c+z7TBIZl13/d8NvgHl4EBUMHO5SISFUB2sQwDp1sb5+qn0K3i9D PqYyBRXmRiCl8GzR/dzC0d/ZsDl/TcfeQQzZz8GVPAUWrJK5g1aiRZQEkfO1PYjG7E+s 6W0pjeEZfYhDrzuAuOwf1t0GlWLMJrMCtHBkDm/lyoliInc4QH3JDqDCOUflcvJqWnbH hgwrf/h17IBEtH+JvyoPGc3dPj5HbwZ2lqBYeDGSTA1xZ5Mmb49fmhmweX68jdu9BO41 y4uA== Received: by 10.180.100.230 with SMTP id fb6mr979445wib.3.1336681037478; Thu, 10 May 2012 13:17:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (cpc13-broo7-2-0-cust130.14-2.cable.virginmedia.com. [82.9.16.131]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j3sm8733253wiw.1.2012.05.10.13.17.16 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 10 May 2012 13:17:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 21:14:33 +0100 From: Ciaran McCreesh To: =?UTF-8?B?TWljaGHFgiBHw7Nybnk=?= Cc: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Tightly-coupled core distro [was: Council meeting summary for 3 April 2012] Message-ID: <20120510211433.0ada0d07@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <20120510221333.7095ebf5@pomiocik.lan> References: <4F8503DF.1010802@gentoo.org> <4F85E21C.4060106@gentoo.org> <20120423012540.GA2130@waltdnes.org> <20120505010529.GD22763@kroah.com> <20120509183203.GA27545@kroah.com> <4FAC1D16.9080301@gentoo.org> <20120510205940.544bbc0f@googlemail.com> <20120510221333.7095ebf5@pomiocik.lan> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.10; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/a5sMZiL1TZ0vTTNFhwpOFMh"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: 64b6d6d0-5b72-4d1f-9075-42bf117f37de X-Archives-Hash: f94b23f5818c94e216bf5af423e14ce5 --Sig_/a5sMZiL1TZ0vTTNFhwpOFMh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 10 May 2012 22:13:33 +0200 Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: > > On Thu, 10 May 2012 20:55:02 +0100 > > Markos Chandras wrote: > > > Make a constructive criticism if you really need to rant about > > > software that nobody forces you to use. > >=20 > > Not that I agree with anything Fabio has ever said, but I believe > > the issue under discussion here is that tight coupling and vertical > > integration means we are in effect forced to use rather a lot of > > software that we would prefer not to. >=20 > No, I don't think you are forced to use anything. As was proven > before, there are always alternatives. That's a somewhat disingenuous claim when the alternatives are moving steadily towards "don't use Linux at all" or "use the full GnomeOS stack". --=20 Ciaran McCreesh --Sig_/a5sMZiL1TZ0vTTNFhwpOFMh Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk+sIawACgkQ96zL6DUtXhE+ggCdH5zUtQJco5OuuIChsl6V3AOn NOEAoNhafJtJ1xf0e+/mGe5QelwsoM75 =GEIo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/a5sMZiL1TZ0vTTNFhwpOFMh--