From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1SQTS8-0002zj-3t for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 05 May 2012 01:06:28 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B5464E0712; Sat, 5 May 2012 01:06:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from out4-smtp.messagingengine.com (out4-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.28]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2115EE04EC for ; Sat, 5 May 2012 01:05:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute4.internal (compute4.nyi.mail.srv.osa [10.202.2.44]) by gateway1.nyi.mail.srv.osa (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BF1C20F1A for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 21:05:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frontend2.nyi.mail.srv.osa ([10.202.2.161]) by compute4.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 04 May 2012 21:05:30 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id :references:mime-version:content-type:in-reply-to; s=smtpout; bh=L6v9rWks0IHaNQBsL2X2Rb3MbuM=; b=gR5qPjm371vElB+Bz8xVvf+migof Xw+ZJbzzBGCD2MbDW/bVg9ZwjhqEhEr/5/btnb6aAbq7C6RJtUVUSS1a4XZBIiA3 jGfCiGMJfC2PTjWwyxwyMJwlW5/85wOB/kOPkqx0cg1uCFrfnbcBnfccoGFVx/CD Qh6n5NbYiy+4k0s= X-Sasl-enc: nrmXeiw8BmZO4WUrssIyI+tGAnlUKiFxAoqtwduNnjM4 1336179930 Received: from localhost (c-67-168-183-230.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [67.168.183.230]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 26C7E4827D0; Fri, 4 May 2012 21:05:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 18:05:29 -0700 From: Greg KH To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Council meeting summary for 3 April 2012 Message-ID: <20120505010529.GD22763@kroah.com> References: <4F833687.4040004@gentoo.org> <4F8503DF.1010802@gentoo.org> <4F85E21C.4060106@gentoo.org> <20120423012540.GA2130@waltdnes.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Archives-Salt: c5987045-3279-482d-bf48-b6463635bbcd X-Archives-Hash: df2f8b71da21947238a82b73a41209d0 On Fri, May 04, 2012 at 03:50:24PM +0100, Steven J Long wrote: > >> To confirm again, that this is about without initramfs: > >> sure i can. maintain old udev-XXX forever, put an elog in new > >> udev that says "if you want separate /usr without initramfs, install old > >> udev, mask new, or whatever" > > > > systemd and udev are being merged into one tarball. For the > > "foreseeable > > future", it will still build 2 separate binaries. What happens down the > > road if/when it all becomes one combined binary? > > > Well I've read assertions that it will be possible to build udev without > systemd for distros and users who want it, and this is supposedly a firm > commitment into the future. Then again, experience doesn't bode well for > those kind of commitments. > > (It's much easier to introduce coupling between software in the same > package. GregKH has also mooted a tightly-coupled "core" Linux distro, which > afaict is the same reasoning as GnomeOS, and /that/ sounds like a > clusterfsck waiting to happen.) "mooted"? And since when does having a set of tightly coupled base libraries and systems that work well together somehow turn into "GnomeOS"? Reaching like that is just foolish on your part. greg k-h