From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1SHtxd-0007P1-PS for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 09:35:34 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E6E53E0DDA; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 09:35:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8602FE0C73 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 09:34:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sera-17.lan (64-181.78-83.cust.bluewin.ch [83.78.181.64]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: sera) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5F4701B4027 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 09:34:21 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 11:34:05 +0200 From: Ralph Sennhauser To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Council meeting summary for 3 April 2012 Message-ID: <20120411113405.49e099b7@sera-17.lan> In-Reply-To: <20120410184504.GB8504@linux1> References: <20353.41193.129711.306663@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <20120408220422.GA26440@kroah.com> <20120410184504.GB8504@linux1> Organization: Gentoo Linux X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.8; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/iyw3q4ovw242+mfeCW9L=9n"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: fd0db37e-1e5e-40a0-92c2-db0b0be977ed X-Archives-Hash: 0f4fed3041ead7f8a029e6559abddf09 --Sig_/iyw3q4ovw242+mfeCW9L=9n Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 13:45:04 -0500 William Hubbs wrote: > On Sun, Apr 08, 2012 at 03:04:22PM -0700, Greg KH wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 08, 2012 at 04:30:01PM +0200, Ulrich Mueller wrote: > > > New udev and separate /usr partition > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > Decide on whether a separate /usr is still a supported > > > configuration. If it is, newer udev can not be stabled and > > > alternatives should be investigated. If it isn't, a lot of > > > documentation will have to be updated. (And an alternative should > > > likely still be provided.) >=20 > There is no disagreement about whether or not separate /usr will be > supported. No one has said that you can't have a separate /usr > partition. >=20 Isn't meant /usr without initramfs, independent of how "broken" some people precieve it? > Was the council aware of the tracker bug we have open where we are > tracking the documentation changes explaining how to build an > initramfs if you have a separate /usr partition [1]? >=20 That's an effort I welcome either way. So thanks for that. > Also, I am going to reiterate what Greg said. This is not an issue > with udev, but with the entire linux ecosystem. > There are binaries in /{bin,sbin} which link against libraries in > /usr/lib for example. >=20 With udev-182 its no longer only the ecosystem which produce some broken products but udev itself which is broken. Otherwise we would have gone on like we always did, right? > Also, with the appropriate documentation changes, which are being > worked on (see [1]), I feel that the statement above that newer udev > can't be stabled should be re-evaluated. >=20 Long term newer udevs will be stabilized and I'm positive it wont take as long as grub2 or portage-2.2 ;) There is no particular hurry as far as I know so let's give Chainsaw some time to look into an udev patch and don't go with the 30 day with bug fixing rule. Support for initramfs was rather poor until recently. For instance dracut-0.17-r3 (haven't tested 0.18 so far) was the first to actually produce a usable initramfs for me. Thus far I crafted them manually if needed. Personally I would like to see the initramfs situation further improved, this includes genkernel and dracut stable on all platforms and then give it time to let the knowlage spread or alternatively an udev patch which allows current setups to continue to work before the council re-evaluates the udev stabilization again. Cheers Ralph > William >=20 > [1] https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D407959 --Sig_/iyw3q4ovw242+mfeCW9L=9n Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPhVAUAAoJEIUJ+svaV163BqUH/jJx0nGhgCZCwR6J2S9ItTpp hQu+xZvkiYkX5vbrThYt3rR89fKhzyOwZULKJarhUUyRDkLBUWg4r1uXPQ39Gxmz 4X5c3k5cFShhy0r1VYZWiNIjrrZwZJqp9hV2pqW2JLGBghlYZiWdB5pLBOt5fLsP fc8KRakMnFx9w29rPKp+SjreErMtUgfZg8uY6iAGnFvs82K3PEvPVSXVAdlYtTHI g+kW0N7ZB4WAPAfeCC0nGnV0J7fbrto236E1mI/6HisclCHYu0uuYS2wGORdsNan HrcqBAuv15bD+wAJBq9mDtURayIvg00nW4gXLu+vMS6xyFAmPTs2dTwAEHLBzfk= =WSoC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/iyw3q4ovw242+mfeCW9L=9n--