From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1SDujx-0006X4-F0 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 09:36:57 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DAB1EE0E14; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 09:36:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pz0-f52.google.com (mail-pz0-f52.google.com [209.85.210.52]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66F20E0E0E for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 09:35:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by dake40 with SMTP id e40so477636dak.11 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 02:35:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=5AHGM/04SgKiMQl+CZUfwvMdK0oOP96g+CaZREdgN60=; b=u0YfEJRz6vurOhbqVeSHNRK4vEGt7Ordt64iTTOVHynybzVl0s0sm3RPR+hmRWODIw IVV15h+NSe20hV5Ba4RLyNk785qtkDowHNs4PJ6MAEBZYMEGJ9aLr/3TS/LfnRPiAO1G q7u7tGuTyiQgwUxUD8INaYoeNvK0DgUZ/kfh77qIq+6wCZid6Fo8WH/j5VWNrVPbAQ6n Zg/Bp58mpO1MyN7pbZXRHIZYEU7qAlSxyfpx7xz+yFbbVnggG96RiEROGyOdc+bjC4r4 lDTDLA3rj5tFEbOSO3jigVh+SJJIMIdr7HxiPZq18jNFI1VHcVRlZHqsJXbNtJdE0mjg SZMA== Received: by 10.68.132.41 with SMTP id or9mr4536692pbb.8.1333186543751; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 02:35:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.gmail.com:587 (74-95-192-101-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net. [74.95.192.101]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v1sm9347492pbk.10.2012.03.31.02.35.41 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 31 Mar 2012 02:35:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by smtp.gmail.com:587 (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 31 Mar 2012 02:35:44 -0700 Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 02:35:44 -0700 From: Brian Harring To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] About suggesting to create a separate partition for portage tree in handbook Message-ID: <20120331093544.GA19939@localhost> References: <20337.28987.736877.961717@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <20120327154239.GA17394@gentoo.org> <1332870540.18466.9.camel@belkin4> <20120327180158.GA1468@siphos.be> <1332873243.11827.15.camel@rook> <20120327200532.GA15040@thinkpad.rutgers.edu> <1333094778.1407.9.camel@belkin4> <20120331084402.GA23183@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120331084402.GA23183@gentoo.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Archives-Salt: f7a17fe6-8c6b-4144-b3a2-1ab11db4584a X-Archives-Hash: c28fef1582456109a78d0d4d002cecd8 On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 08:44:02AM +0000, Sven Vermeulen wrote: > On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 10:06:18AM +0200, Pacho Ramos wrote: > > Looks then that there are several alternatives for portage tree, then, > > maybe the option would be to add a note to Gentoo Handbook explaining > > the cons of having portage tree on a standard partition and, then, put a > > link to a wiki page (for example) where all this alternatives are > > explained. > > > > What do you think about this approach? > > I don't like the "cons" approach, as it gives the impression that users are > pushed into a negative solution, whereas the current situation works just > fine for almost all users. The approach for a different partition is for > performance reasons (which most users don't have any negative feelings > about) and as such might be read as a "ricer" approach. For modern hardware w/ a modern kernel (or at least >=2.6.38 for the dcache resolution optimizations)... does anyone actually have real performance stats for this? If the notion is a seperate FS, one tailored to the portage tree's usage models (tail packing for example), sure, grok that although I question how much people really are getting out of it. In the past, situation definitely differed- I'm just wondering if the gain is actually worth debating it, rather than just ignoring it (or sticking it in a foot note for people trying to use durons). ~harring