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From: Brian Harring <ferringb@gmail.com>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFD: EAPI specification in ebuilds
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 20:21:58 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120319032158.GG7731@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAATnKFCg3Dmaq-U_wdyXvqZnr8WGvNPPfW_yP2AkwC5Kxiuwag@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 02:36:34PM +1300, Kent Fredric wrote:
> On 19 March 2012 14:12, Steven J Long <slong@rathaus.eclipse.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > As for non-bash ebuilds, I have always agreed with antarus that they should
> > simply use a different extension. Adding a new extension per source language
> > is a *lot* cleaner than one per EAPI.
> 
> Ok: If we take this notion and enshrine it in stone:
> 
> If we assume Bash 4 is a seperate language from Bash 3, as its
> syntax-backwards-incompatible, is it fair to suggest that for some
> future EAPI which require Bash 4, that the extension change to suit?
> 
> ie:  move from .ebuild  to .ebuild4 , where '.ebuild' conveys the
> format is bash, and that '.ebuild4' is bash4 only?
> 
> That way you have a forwards declaration of the syntax/file format
> required to parse the file, but no declaration of the EAPI, so you're
> not breaking encapsulation.
> 
> This is breaking the direct file==eapi connection, but still
> maintaining a loose file<->eapi connection.
> 
> Its /sort/ of like the "one time extension change" proposal, except
> its less 'arbitrary' than something like .eb , and it gives us the
> future option of changing the suffix again if bash 5 comes out with
> different syntax.
> 
> Then we can do
> 
> .ebuild = EAPI 0 - 4    & bash >= 3
> .ebuild4 = EAPI5 - 9    & bash >= 4
> .ebuild5 = EAPI10 - 15 & bash >= 5
> 
> Thoughts?

This is a bad idea; it arbitrarily bleeds the bash version into the 
ebuild name, still requires an EAPI mechanism w/in the actual file, 
and is likely to break tools that have assumptions about extensions 
(even ones sooner or later written against such a setup).

Besides; it's not bash version as much as global scope settings, 
functions, etc, that are the issue.

Syntax is generally minor in comparison.
~harring



  reply	other threads:[~2012-03-19  3:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 125+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-03-07 20:41 [gentoo-dev] RFD: EAPI specification in ebuilds Ulrich Mueller
2012-03-07 20:44 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-07 21:07 ` Alexis Ballier
2012-03-07 22:04   ` David Leverton
2012-03-07 22:14 ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-08  0:17   ` Ulrich Mueller
2012-03-08 12:03   ` Michał Górny
2012-03-08 15:56     ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-08 17:28       ` Michał Górny
2012-03-08 17:48         ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-08 17:53           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-08 18:37             ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-08 18:48               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-08 21:35                 ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-08 23:31                   ` Alec Warner
2012-03-09  3:05                     ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-09  5:04                   ` Michał Górny
2012-03-09  5:35                     ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-09  5:51                       ` Zac Medico
2012-03-09 14:42                         ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-09 15:05                           ` Zac Medico
2012-03-09 15:21                             ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-09 15:41                               ` Zac Medico
2012-03-09 15:51                                 ` Alexis Ballier
2012-03-09 15:58                                   ` Zac Medico
2012-03-09 16:49                                     ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-09 16:57                                       ` Zac Medico
2012-03-09 19:20                                       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-10 16:06                                         ` Zac Medico
2012-03-12  1:55                                           ` Brian Harring
2012-03-12  4:08                                             ` Zac Medico
2012-03-12  8:36                                               ` Brian Harring
2012-03-12 15:35                                                 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-12 16:05                                                 ` Zac Medico
2012-03-12 16:12                                                   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-12 16:28                                                     ` Zac Medico
2012-03-14  2:01                                                   ` Brian Harring
2012-03-14  2:16                                                     ` Zac Medico
2012-03-09 15:52                                 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2012-03-09 16:15                                   ` Zac Medico
2012-03-09 16:33                                     ` Eray Aslan
2012-03-09 16:43                                       ` Zac Medico
2012-03-09 16:29                       ` Michał Górny
2012-03-09 16:57                         ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-09 17:11                           ` Ulrich Mueller
2012-03-09 17:31                             ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-09 17:47                               ` Zac Medico
2012-03-09 18:03                                 ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-09 19:08                                 ` Rich Freeman
2012-03-12  2:03                                 ` Brian Harring
2012-03-12  2:20                                   ` Rich Freeman
2012-03-12  2:24                                     ` Alec Warner
2012-03-12  6:57                                       ` Kent Fredric
2012-03-12  6:50                                     ` Kent Fredric
2012-03-12  7:08                                       ` Zac Medico
2012-03-12  7:39                                         ` Kent Fredric
2012-03-12  8:27                                         ` Michał Górny
2012-03-12  8:30                                           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-12  9:09                                             ` Michał Górny
2012-03-12  9:16                                               ` Kent Fredric
2012-03-12  9:48                                                 ` Ulrich Mueller
2012-03-12 10:12                                                   ` Kent Fredric
2012-03-12 15:20                                                     ` Rich Freeman
2012-03-12 17:01                                                 ` Zac Medico
2012-03-12 17:30                                                   ` Rich Freeman
2012-03-12 17:46                                                     ` Zac Medico
2012-03-12 19:20                                                       ` Rich Freeman
2012-03-12  8:39                                           ` Kent Fredric
2012-03-12  9:10                                             ` Michał Górny
2012-03-12  3:55                                   ` Zac Medico
2012-03-09 17:52                               ` Michał Górny
2012-03-12  1:00                                 ` Brian Harring
2012-03-09 18:02                               ` James Broadhead
2012-03-09 18:24                                 ` Alexis Ballier
2012-03-09 18:29                                   ` Zac Medico
2012-03-09 18:33                                 ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-09 18:56                                   ` Zac Medico
2012-03-09 19:23                                     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-09 20:09                                     ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-19  1:12                 ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J Long
2012-03-19  1:36                   ` Kent Fredric
2012-03-19  3:21                     ` Brian Harring [this message]
2012-03-24 13:24                     ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J Long
2012-03-07 22:36 ` [gentoo-dev] " Alexandre Rostovtsev
2012-03-08  2:22   ` Jeroen Roovers
2012-03-08 16:14     ` [gentoo-dev] Ebb (eb) was: " Todd Goodman
2012-03-08  4:12 ` [gentoo-dev] " Alec Warner
2012-03-08  7:27   ` Ulrich Mueller
2012-03-08  8:13     ` Alec Warner
2012-03-08 15:27       ` Zac Medico
2012-03-08 16:11         ` David Leverton
2012-03-08 16:21           ` Zac Medico
2012-03-08 16:29             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-08 16:50               ` Zac Medico
2012-03-08 16:59               ` Alexandre Rostovtsev
2012-03-08 17:03                 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-08 19:17                   ` Ulrich Mueller
2012-03-08 19:31                     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-08 19:48                       ` Alexis Ballier
2012-03-08  9:42     ` Marc Schiffbauer
2012-03-08 16:30       ` Zac Medico
2012-03-08 16:35         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-08 17:07           ` Zac Medico
2012-03-08 17:14             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-08 17:30               ` Jeroen Roovers
2012-03-08 17:37                 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-10  1:06                 ` Kent Fredric
2012-03-10 13:53                   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-09 11:28         ` Marc Schiffbauer
2012-03-08 12:06   ` Michał Górny
2012-03-08 15:58 ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-03-08 16:51   ` Ulrich Mueller
2012-03-08 17:03     ` Rich Freeman
2012-03-08 16:47 ` Mike Gilbert
2012-03-08 17:52 ` Michał Górny
2012-03-08 17:56   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-08 18:22   ` Zac Medico
2012-03-08 19:04   ` Ulrich Mueller
2012-03-08 19:38     ` Alexis Ballier
2012-03-09  0:50 ` Walter Dnes
2012-03-18  7:23 ` Ralph Sennhauser
2012-03-18 11:18   ` Rich Freeman
2012-03-18 11:27   ` Ulrich Mueller
2012-04-12 19:53 ` [gentoo-dev] " Ulrich Mueller
2012-04-12 20:19   ` Mike Frysinger

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