From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1S7AVI-0004dL-AP for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 19:02:02 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F0030E0D2A; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 19:01:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-we0-f181.google.com (mail-we0-f181.google.com [74.125.82.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE52BE0C72 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 19:01:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by werm13 with SMTP id m13so4194894wer.40 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 12:01:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type; bh=O+UJppMTbZ1Yp08o/6hY+pTfj/AhJ3pzk7AO+7d1A60=; b=VXadSyjd/f+O7r0sr5RaAHcxT2HBJtoAQC7GhCzkYccGy7vAFU67VUQWwTeNGF13jl 1QQz+OtKjCZa1ImrmcS+JhMB6MnKsgHqjyh+m13n5HYrmIMIHYJJFOk18ZKZb8a/awK4 X4oAtRYaqoObPUqlmkdfk9cIYUeBMZ/qFyj3Kelmq7vsPCRx5cWWGCywTEsAEmu0iTZP qpU+nviyIm5a1X5Ua8H8Z+K0iPNNT8x7+67ulqNl3R3rFnVMYIHhC+9pAd52jB1d6D6B 1Uvt31g2mG/2ub8SZnXdJl+fn+mCg92lf0tWBTFeFmWVaoZrtmNZbTMMMqq+iVsUJew6 3fFg== Received: by 10.180.103.35 with SMTP id ft3mr553749wib.0.1331578881085; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 12:01:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (cpc13-broo7-2-0-cust130.14-2.cable.virginmedia.com. [82.9.16.131]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gg2sm52335592wib.7.2012.03.12.12.01.19 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 12 Mar 2012 12:01:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 19:00:05 +0000 From: Ciaran McCreesh To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] RFD : .ebuild is only bash Message-ID: <20120312190005.32643536@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <20318.17788.250811.141624@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> References: <20120312155927.2cca0d3b@googlemail.com> <20318.11498.463319.52140@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <20120312171228.48c5b023@googlemail.com> <4F5E30F1.2010500@gentoo.org> <20318.14784.69603.177708@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <20120312180424.26ad103b@googlemail.com> <20318.15803.361859.738914@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <20120312182815.2d73c8df@googlemail.com> <20318.17788.250811.141624@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.10; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/9wE1Dk8aN.m1+sGstF4I0Ui"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: 72623f07-aa36-46a6-930e-87120b086295 X-Archives-Hash: 80594dbf526145652409f5ba4bd8382c --Sig_/9wE1Dk8aN.m1+sGstF4I0Ui Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 19:50:36 +0100 Ulrich Mueller wrote: > >>>>> On Mon, 12 Mar 2012, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > GLEP 55 is simple, it solves all the problems we have (including the > > version issue, which everyone is conveniently ignoring), it doesn't > > require us to guess what's going to happen next and it can be > > implemented immediately. That's a rather big deal. >=20 > The "header comment" solution solves all these issues too, without > embedding unrelated information in the filename [1]. No it doesn't. See the "conveniently ignoring" part you're conveniently ignoring. > It can be implemented immediately, too. No it can't, since existing package managers don't handle it. > The argument that was always used against such solutions was that > it would "hurt performance". However, when the council asked for > benchmarks that would prove that point, nobody could provide them. No, the argument was that such solutions didn't solve the full problem. Performance issues were secondary, and were picked up upon as a way of avoiding the whole "nothing else solves all the problems" thing. > [1] "The filename is metadata > about a file; a string used to uniquely identify a file stored on the > file system." By that argument, there's no point in having a ".ebuild" there either. Please don't continue the bad trend of posting irrelevant Wikipedia links as footnotes as though the primary issue should be anything other than a comparison of solutions to a technical problem [1]. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spork --=20 Ciaran McCreesh --Sig_/9wE1Dk8aN.m1+sGstF4I0Ui Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk9eR7sACgkQ96zL6DUtXhFKDwCg1ibYM8a7XOXWrHPjQ40zWjBd 02IAoM1/LZtEovbt/lTsoaFIrOVhadct =WMYA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/9wE1Dk8aN.m1+sGstF4I0Ui--