[gentoo-dev] Packages/build systems not honoring LINGUAS and a sane solution

[gentoo-dev] Packages/build systems not honoring LINGUAS and a sane solution

[Piotr Szymaniak]

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Hi.

Long story short:
localepurge will be removed from portage [1]. As I was (/am) heavy
user of it I found it funny that "linguas takes care of the proper
locale installation" [2]. Maybe it should, but there's some major
failure in lots of packages.

So I filled few dozen bugs about this, but it's not always an easy task
to make a package respect LINGUAS. As we talked about it on #gentoo-bugs
there were few suggestions to solve this issue.

Not directly related to solving, but will help (by ssuominen):
make a tracker bug for offending packages

And related to issue:
1) an eclass to clean unwanted locale/man pages/whatsoever - yngwin
suggested that theres something similar for qt [3]
2) something like FEATURES="fixlafiles" (fixlocale? ;)

Opinions?


[1]
http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_1ad70654df864843b9b6d0da2f177183.xml
[2]
http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_69c10fa4b1af60615e49f09e79c63dd1.xml
[3] -
000039 < yngwin>
https://gitorious.org/gentoo-qt/qt/blobs/master/eclass/qt4-edge.eclass
at the end has prepare_translations, but it's Qt specific


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[gentoo-dev] Re: Packages/build systems not honoring LINGUAS and a sane solution

[Duncan]

Piotr Szymaniak posted on Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:58:06 +0100 as excerpted:

> Long story short:  localepurge will be removed from portage

If the maintainers are interested, perhaps gentoolkit could adopt it?  
That would mean it's on most portage-based systems anyway, in my 
experience.

The FEATURES=fixlocales suggestion would suggest keeping the script in 
portage, modified to be called with the feature hook, perhaps to be run 
on the fake-install before qmerge and/or binpkging.

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[gentoo-dev] Re: Packages/build systems not honoring LINGUAS and a sane solution

[Ryan Hill]

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On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:58:06 +0100
Piotr Szymaniak <szarpaj@grubelek.pl> wrote:

> localepurge will be removed from portage [1]. As I was (/am) heavy
> user of it I found it funny that "linguas takes care of the proper
> locale installation" [2]. Maybe it should, but there's some major
> failure in lots of packages.

I don't think we should drop it unless there's a reason to.  It works fine
and people obviously use it (me too!).

> So I filled few dozen bugs about this, but it's not always an easy task
> to make a package respect LINGUAS. As we talked about it on #gentoo-bugs
> there were few suggestions to solve this issue.
> 
> Not directly related to solving, but will help (by ssuominen):
> make a tracker bug for offending packages

Yes, please.  Once these get fixed then we can drop localepurge.  And please
ignore hyperactive bug wranglers who think they get to decide when you've
filed "enough" bugs.  We want these reports.


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Packages/build systems not honoring LINGUAS and a sane solution

[Jeroen Roovers]

On Mon, 20 Feb 2012 14:00:31 -0600
Ryan Hill <dirtyepic@gentoo.org> wrote:

> Yes, please.  Once these get fixed then we can drop localepurge.

That's a lot of bugs to fix, and the way LINGUAS now works, we could
at least do with a QA check that helps figure out which packages break
when new translations are added to new releases, or when old
translations get dropped.

> And please ignore hyperactive bug wranglers who think they get to
> decide when you've filed "enough" bugs.  We want these reports.

Give the guy bug assignment privileges and move on. And/or get the
automated check in place, and make sure package maintainers see them.


     jer

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Packages/build systems not honoring LINGUAS and a sane solution

[Alec Warner]

On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Jeroen Roovers <jer@gentoo.org> wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Feb 2012 14:00:31 -0600
> Ryan Hill <dirtyepic@gentoo.org> wrote:
>
>> Yes, please.  Once these get fixed then we can drop localepurge.
>
> That's a lot of bugs to fix, and the way LINGUAS now works, we could
> at least do with a QA check that helps figure out which packages break
> when new translations are added to new releases, or when old
> translations get dropped.
>
>> And please ignore hyperactive bug wranglers who think they get to
>> decide when you've filed "enough" bugs.  We want these reports.
>
> Give the guy bug assignment privileges and move on. And/or get the
> automated check in place, and make sure package maintainers see them.

I gave him editbugs last week.

-A

>
>
>     jer
>

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Packages/build systems not honoring LINGUAS and a sane solution

[Piotr Szymaniak]

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On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 03:16:29PM -0800, Alec Warner wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Jeroen Roovers <jer@gentoo.org> wrote:
> > On Mon, 20 Feb 2012 14:00:31 -0600
> > Ryan Hill <dirtyepic@gentoo.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Yes, please.  Once these get fixed then we can drop localepurge.
> >
> > That's a lot of bugs to fix, and the way LINGUAS now works, we could
> > at least do with a QA check that helps figure out which packages break
> > when new translations are added to new releases, or when old
> > translations get dropped.
> >
> >> And please ignore hyperactive bug wranglers who think they get to
> >> decide when you've filed "enough" bugs.  We want these reports.
> >
> > Give the guy bug assignment privileges and move on. And/or get the
> > automated check in place, and make sure package maintainers see them.
> 
> I gave him editbugs last week.

Tracker bug #405485 added.

Not wanted man pages are also considered as "wrong locale installed"
bugs? Right now I have about 30 directories in /usr/share/man with
different (not wanted) languages...


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