From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1RkgyU-0003WG-67 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 19:03:10 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D381E21C0F1; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 19:02:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FD9921C0BE for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 19:01:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pomiocik.lan (178-37-166-99.adsl.inetia.pl [178.37.166.99]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: mgorny) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 88CB71B402B; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 19:01:56 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 20:03:15 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?B?TWljaGHFgiBHw7Nybnk=?= To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Cc: rdalek1967@gmail.com Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr Message-ID: <20120110200315.4f8dbb7a@pomiocik.lan> In-Reply-To: <4F0C89CB.6010402@gmail.com> References: <4F0440B3.4090500@gentoo.org> <20120106160719.GB18959@fury> <201201080047.27281.polynomial-c@gentoo.org> <20120108103345.382b8db3@pomiocik.lan> <20120110181452.GA14155@mailgate.onlinehome-server.info> <20120110194640.7696d2c7@pomiocik.lan> <4F0C89CB.6010402@gmail.com> Organization: Gentoo X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.8; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA256; boundary="Sig_/Nkuy_y29P5AURBDMGGp7q6b"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: 00aad018-614f-4ca2-a3f1-4ebab4529964 X-Archives-Hash: 501da649f1b09a30b269f0f2a9c80bc7 --Sig_/Nkuy_y29P5AURBDMGGp7q6b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 12:56:11 -0600 Dale wrote: > Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: > > On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 19:14:52 +0100 > > Enrico Weigelt wrote: > > > >> * Micha?? G=C3=B3rny schrieb: > >> > >>> Does working hard involve compiling even more packages statically? > >> I guess, he means keeping udev in / ? > > Because adding 80 KiB of initramfs hurts so much? We should then put > > more work just to ensure that admin doesn't have to waste 15 > > minutes to recompile the kernel (if necessary), create an initramfs > > and add it to bootloader config? > > >=20 >=20 > Took me days to get dracut to work. Where does 15 minutes come > from? I just took the time I needed to write an initramfs from scratch and divided it by two, assuming using an already-made tool is simpler. > How much time does it take when the initramfs fails? The same when rootfs fails? Only the fact that initramfs is less likely to break than rootfs, and you have a pretty good opportunity now to experiment with it while nothing on your system made it useless without one. > I keep hoping that all the smart people involved in this will see the > mess it is creating. I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed but I'm > sharp enough to see the mess this is going to create and I'm just a > desktop user. I feel sorry for people with more complicated systems > or remote ones. The mess was created by people shouting 'hey, real men use separate /usr for no good reason! Be awesome like us'. --=20 Best regards, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny --Sig_/Nkuy_y29P5AURBDMGGp7q6b Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) iJwEAQEIAAYFAk8Mi3QACgkQfXuS5UK5QB2mOgP/VrzW8AFavIJoU2j4LF8BjpjO 2WAnw3mpjUZHqUM03itZWy5/WO979FXk+gg6UK4MvYAEgK6bQa4nu6UdQdfB/CT6 Hr1UeawIVVlqBKVrc5xolWvZti2IhL4gDPEWlarXDtguCs+eos4MSI69FETolSZ5 vNCAQ0iuTduv64cifBw= =lTIP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/Nkuy_y29P5AURBDMGGp7q6b--