From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1RjF6I-0000Lo-UL for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 19:05:18 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B070721C0EB; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 19:05:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDE0321C022 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 19:04:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pomiocik.lan (unknown [81.219.203.13]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: mgorny) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4780A1B4071; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 19:04:32 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 20:05:47 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?B?TWljaGHFgiBHw7Nybnk=?= To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Cc: weigelt@metux.de Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr Message-ID: <20120106200547.1cc4a5a3@pomiocik.lan> In-Reply-To: <20120106184127.GE27854@mailgate.onlinehome-server.info> References: <20120101015947.GA9914@linux1> <20120106175049.GA27854@mailgate.onlinehome-server.info> <20120106192550.7ed4cbd9@pomiocik.lan> <20120106184127.GE27854@mailgate.onlinehome-server.info> Organization: Gentoo X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.8; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA256; boundary="Sig_/JRjMGVfZg7EufPVuX44zjh1"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: cfb3ad86-00c7-4e02-a6dc-8706abdf6bba X-Archives-Hash: 1110b5aeea3248f341504fda03a2e25c --Sig_/JRjMGVfZg7EufPVuX44zjh1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 6 Jan 2012 19:41:27 +0100 Enrico Weigelt wrote: > * Micha?? G?rny schrieb: >=20 > > > I don't want to repeat all the arguments, why these > > > Windows-imitator guys are completely wrong, anymore. (IMHO > > > already been said in this thread). > >=20 > > Yes, having a single locations for all applications is so-windows. > > We should go the other way then, and create a separate prefix for > > every application. I wonder why we removed that awesome /usr/X11R6. >=20 > I was talking about other things, like giving up the typical > unix-style separation of subsystems, all the bloating happening > in certain DE's and then pulling down that bloat to the system > level (just starting w/ dbus) Yes, three arguments and just a one, silly example which is basically incorrect assuming noone obliges you to use systemd. > > > If upstream really wants to stick in that silly chance, it's time > > > for a fork. We're already allocating about 20..30hrs per week > > > beginning with 2012/2 for such a project in our resource plan. > > > This stupidity can become really dangerous thousands of systems > > > around the world, so it needs to be stopped. > >=20 > > Wow, an enterprise fork taking 20-30 hrs per week to reimplement > > hacks necessary for running applications randomly spread over > > filesystems? >=20 > This is just our donation, I'm hoping others will join in. > For the actual development, half of the resources should be > fine, but testing dozens of uncommon scenarios will eat up > a multiple of that. I thought you reserved that much time for mailing lists. > > > BTW: the original argument (AFAIK) is that moving everything to > > > /usr should somehow make maintenance easier. Well, how actually ? > > > Perhaps for people who are too lazy to backup a few more > > > directories ? Silly. > >=20 > > Enjoy sharing those few more directories over NFS. >=20 > Yes, what's the big deal ? Done that with thousands of nodes. Without initramfs? Syncing rootfs over and over again or just updating packages installing into it once a year? > > > Actually, at this point, I'd raise the question why not dropping > > > /usr instead (in little steps). The impact is practically the > > > same (well, replaces the risk of unbootable system by the risk > > > of filling up separated / filesystems) but would remove an > > > then obsolete additional directory. ;-O > >=20 > > That's because people would like to get rid of additional > > directories in /, not introduce additional ones. >=20 > Aha. Then why not also moving /home, /etc and /var to /usr, too ? ;-o > (hmm, some mindless jerks really could pick up that silly idea...) You should consider taking like 1 or 2 hours of your precious time to read about the use and meaning of various directories in the filesystem. --=20 Best regards, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny --Sig_/JRjMGVfZg7EufPVuX44zjh1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) iJwEAQEIAAYFAk8HRgsACgkQfXuS5UK5QB1JgQQAqwPxydoBrrlXYdcvaEvgN+kl wH5A1+BcfiKtr6eKXMf6qVBz5dMkv9yNLW+XiZI6M0cByTPurZVTCwLcJbHb0PZi h4SY9k2swTL9PoCAAuZ4nKJQeP1eMyckcqGkmh413/s6e6X9AoY+TTtHtm5ojGBB CeThUtevLthKgNSKBlA= =BOQ5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/JRjMGVfZg7EufPVuX44zjh1--