From: Alex Alexander <wired@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 00:36:46 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120105223646.GA18959@fury> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120105200844.1124e9d4@googlemail.com>
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On Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 08:08:44PM +0000, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Thu, 5 Jan 2012 13:30:24 -0600
> William Hubbs <williamh@gentoo.org> wrote:
> > > Or will /etc move to /usr too?
> >
> > No, /etc isn't going anywhere.
>
> Are you sure? I heard a rumour that systemd will soon require you to
> put /etc inside your initrd (since / can't be mounted without it).
> Obviously, you'd have to reboot if you made any changes to your config
> files, but that's OK since you can't safely restart daemons anyway.
Although this is a bit frightening to think about, because people are
crazy enough to actually implement it, this is one of the funniest
things I've read lately, thanks for the laugh xD
On a serious note though, it seems to me that the /bin | /usr/bin line
is too blurry, creating confusion. Migrating everything to a single
folder is the simplest solution of all. Combine that with redhat's
update approach and it is easy to see why they've taken this route.
If people are really interested in keeping a tight, self contained root,
we need to:
- establish a [tight] list of software we consider critical for /
- fix/patch software in that list so it can run without /usr there
- create /bin => /usr/bin/ symlinks for above software (simplifies
things if packages start hardcoding /usr/bin here and there)
- move everything else in /usr/bin/
Do this and I'm sure other people/distros will follow/help and
upstreams will accept our patches. I'm sure there are other people who
don't like this "one bin folder to rule them all" logic.
If no one is really interested in doing all this... well, whoever
actually implements something in open source usually wins the race -
it's the same in Gentoo too, no? ;)
Only difference here is, one team has the advantage of being paid
to do it.
--
Alex Alexander | wired
+ Gentoo Linux Developer
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2012-01-01 1:59 [gentoo-dev] rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr William Hubbs
2012-01-01 6:16 ` [gentoo-dev] " Ryan Hill
2012-01-02 17:54 ` Alexis Ballier
2012-01-02 18:30 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-01 7:12 ` [gentoo-dev] " Olivier Crête
2012-01-01 7:33 ` Matthew Thode
2012-01-01 20:09 ` Olivier Crête
2012-01-01 20:51 ` Dale
2012-01-01 21:49 ` Olivier Crête
2012-01-05 3:12 ` Jeroen Roovers
2012-01-05 3:43 ` Dale
2012-01-01 20:18 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-01 7:33 ` Patrick Lauer
2012-01-01 20:21 ` Olivier Crête
2012-01-01 20:23 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-01-01 21:50 ` Olivier Crête
2012-01-02 8:41 ` Eray Aslan
2012-01-03 18:50 ` Olivier Crête
2012-01-03 18:54 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-01-03 19:07 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-03 19:02 ` William Hubbs
2012-01-03 19:12 ` Fabian Groffen
2012-01-03 20:01 ` William Hubbs
2012-01-03 21:22 ` Fabian Groffen
2012-01-03 23:09 ` William Hubbs
2012-01-03 23:27 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-04 0:47 ` Thomas Sachau
2012-01-04 8:17 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-04 12:06 ` Thomas Sachau
2012-01-04 15:37 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-04 16:33 ` Fabian Groffen
2012-01-04 16:47 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-04 17:12 ` Ulrich Mueller
2012-01-04 17:32 ` Olivier Crête
2012-01-04 18:26 ` Marc Schiffbauer
2012-01-04 20:12 ` Eray Aslan
2012-01-05 2:40 ` Zac Medico
2012-01-07 3:10 ` Michael Weber
2012-01-07 6:58 ` Zac Medico
2012-01-07 9:35 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-07 20:20 ` Michael Weber
2012-01-04 18:27 ` Kent Fredric
2012-01-04 18:47 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-04 18:51 ` Olivier Crête
2012-01-04 19:09 ` Fabian Groffen
2012-01-07 0:41 ` Walter Dnes
2012-01-07 0:59 ` Olivier Crête
2012-01-07 1:10 ` Matthew Thode
2012-01-07 9:41 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-04 18:55 ` Rich Freeman
2012-01-05 19:30 ` William Hubbs
2012-01-05 20:08 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-01-05 20:40 ` Rich Freeman
2012-01-05 20:44 ` Sven Vermeulen
2012-01-05 21:02 ` Olivier Crête
2012-01-05 21:09 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-01-05 21:26 ` Olivier Crête
2012-01-06 0:44 ` Patrick Lauer
2012-01-06 0:57 ` Arun Raghavan
2012-01-06 2:15 ` Olivier Crête
2012-01-06 2:58 ` Marc Schiffbauer
2012-01-06 8:16 ` Alec Warner
2012-01-06 15:28 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2012-01-06 8:55 ` Fabian Groffen
2012-01-05 22:06 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-05 22:08 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-01-05 22:36 ` Alex Alexander [this message]
2012-01-06 13:35 ` Rich Freeman
2012-01-06 16:07 ` Alex Alexander
2012-01-07 23:47 ` Lars Wendler
2012-01-08 9:33 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-10 18:14 ` Enrico Weigelt
2012-01-10 18:46 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-10 18:56 ` Dale
2012-01-10 19:03 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-10 19:04 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-01-10 22:40 ` Dale
2012-01-11 7:41 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-11 8:38 ` Christopher Head
2012-01-11 8:44 ` Ulrich Mueller
2012-01-11 17:03 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-11 17:04 ` Matthew Thode
2012-01-11 16:34 ` Dale
2012-01-11 17:01 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-11 17:13 ` Dale
2012-01-11 17:26 ` Nirbheek Chauhan
2012-01-11 18:24 ` Alec Warner
2012-01-11 18:42 ` Dale
2012-01-17 22:15 ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J Long
2012-01-17 22:29 ` Rich Freeman
2012-01-10 19:08 ` [gentoo-dev] " Rich Freeman
2012-01-10 22:49 ` Dale
2012-01-10 19:09 ` Hinnerk van Bruinehsen
2012-01-10 22:55 ` Dale
2012-01-17 22:00 ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J Long
2012-01-18 3:38 ` [gentoo-dev] " Dale
2012-01-18 4:18 ` Mike Gilbert
2012-01-18 5:57 ` Dale
2012-01-18 7:02 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-18 7:20 ` Dale
2012-01-18 13:36 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-21 12:28 ` Dale
2012-01-21 14:57 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-21 21:34 ` Dale
2012-01-21 21:50 ` Zac Medico
2012-01-21 23:45 ` Dale
2012-01-22 0:12 ` Zac Medico
2012-01-21 22:01 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-21 23:43 ` Dale
2012-01-04 18:50 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-04 19:00 ` Fabian Groffen
2012-01-04 19:28 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-04 19:32 ` Fabian Groffen
2012-01-04 18:48 ` Thomas Sachau
2012-01-04 19:26 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-04 19:36 ` Fabian Groffen
2012-01-03 19:19 ` Olivier Crête
2012-01-03 19:35 ` Rich Freeman
2012-01-03 19:47 ` Nirbheek Chauhan
2012-01-03 20:15 ` Olivier Crête
2012-01-03 19:39 ` William Hubbs
2012-01-03 19:47 ` Fabian Groffen
2012-01-03 20:32 ` Eray Aslan
2012-01-06 18:26 ` Enrico Weigelt
2012-01-01 16:56 ` William Hubbs
2012-01-01 18:40 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-01-01 22:39 ` Robin H. Johnson
2012-01-01 8:53 ` Sven Vermeulen
2012-01-01 9:09 ` Nirbheek Chauhan
2012-01-02 18:41 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-01 9:45 ` Dale
2012-01-01 13:44 ` Rich Freeman
2012-01-01 14:05 ` Dale
2012-01-01 20:21 ` Olivier Crête
2012-01-02 11:47 ` Sven Vermeulen
2012-01-02 12:58 ` Rich Freeman
2012-01-02 13:31 ` Kent Fredric
2012-01-02 16:01 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-03 22:47 ` Sven Vermeulen
2012-01-04 0:32 ` Olivier Crête
2012-01-02 18:43 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-04 13:50 ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J Long
2012-01-04 13:54 ` Rich Freeman
2012-01-04 15:19 ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J Long
2012-01-04 15:24 ` Rich Freeman
2012-01-04 18:16 ` Robin H. Johnson
2012-01-04 15:51 ` [gentoo-dev] " Michał Górny
2012-01-04 15:54 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-01-04 16:02 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-04 17:40 ` Olivier Crête
2012-01-04 18:06 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-01-04 18:30 ` Marc Schiffbauer
2012-01-04 18:53 ` Olivier Crête
2012-01-04 20:45 ` Marc Schiffbauer
2012-01-04 21:55 ` Olivier Crête
2012-01-05 3:24 ` Marc Schiffbauer
2012-01-05 4:58 ` Duncan
2012-01-06 18:10 ` Enrico Weigelt
2012-01-05 8:26 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-05 11:08 ` Marc Schiffbauer
2012-01-05 14:30 ` Olivier Crête
2012-01-05 14:31 ` Olivier Crête
2012-01-05 17:12 ` Duncan
2012-01-05 18:17 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-06 18:08 ` Enrico Weigelt
2012-01-03 15:53 ` [gentoo-dev] " Ian Stakenvicius
2012-01-03 16:08 ` G.Wolfe Woodbury
2012-01-03 16:40 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-03 17:56 ` Rich Freeman
2012-01-04 9:07 ` [gentoo-dev] " Nicolas Sebrecht
2012-01-03 17:45 ` Duncan
2012-01-03 18:18 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2012-01-03 23:58 ` Duncan
2012-01-01 9:23 ` Duncan
2012-01-01 10:15 ` Zac Medico
2012-01-01 17:54 ` Duncan
2012-01-03 16:03 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2012-01-03 16:51 ` William Hubbs
2012-01-03 17:00 ` Fabian Groffen
2012-01-03 17:03 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2012-01-03 17:35 ` Duncan
2012-01-03 17:59 ` William Hubbs
2012-01-01 18:32 ` William Hubbs
2012-01-01 18:46 ` William Hubbs
2012-01-01 20:17 ` Olivier Crête
2012-01-02 5:39 ` Duncan
2012-01-02 6:44 ` Zac Medico
2012-01-02 14:48 ` William Hubbs
2012-01-01 17:54 ` [gentoo-dev] " Michał Górny
2012-01-02 17:54 ` William Hubbs
2012-01-02 18:37 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-02 18:46 ` William Hubbs
2012-01-03 16:18 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2012-01-02 6:24 ` Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy
2012-01-02 9:45 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-02 17:03 ` William Hubbs
2012-01-03 9:51 ` Walter Dnes
2012-01-03 15:10 ` William Hubbs
2012-01-03 16:40 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2012-01-03 18:02 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2012-01-03 18:36 ` [gentoo-dev] " William Hubbs
2012-01-03 19:19 ` Olivier Crête
2012-01-03 19:30 ` Fabian Groffen
2012-01-03 19:28 ` Rich Freeman
2012-01-03 19:39 ` Nirbheek Chauhan
2012-01-04 12:58 ` Arun Raghavan
2012-01-04 13:13 ` Rich Freeman
2012-01-04 13:23 ` Nirbheek Chauhan
2012-01-06 17:50 ` Enrico Weigelt
2012-01-06 18:25 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-06 18:41 ` Enrico Weigelt
2012-01-06 19:05 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-06 19:21 ` Enrico Weigelt
2012-01-12 15:29 ` Ralph Sennhauser
2012-01-12 16:06 ` Alec Warner
2012-01-07 1:08 ` Walter Dnes
2012-01-07 19:01 ` Enrico Weigelt
2012-01-08 11:48 ` Walter Dnes
2012-01-08 22:58 ` Michael Weber
2012-01-09 7:20 ` Zac Medico
2012-01-09 8:22 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-09 10:30 ` Alec Warner
2012-02-04 16:31 ` Alexey Shvetsov
2012-02-04 17:27 ` Rich Freeman
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