From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1RilCb-0000JF-EN for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 11:09:45 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 520E6E0587; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 11:09:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx10.schiffbauer.net (mx10.schiffbauer.net [188.40.110.137]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86506E055D for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 11:08:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cl-936.ham-02.de.sixxs.net ([2001:6f8:1c00:3a7::2]:55560 helo=lisa.schiffbauer.net) by mx10.schiffbauer.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RilBn-0007rj-Fx for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 12:08:56 +0100 Received: from mschiff by lisa.schiffbauer.net with local (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1RilBh-0005Rq-U3 for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 12:08:49 +0100 Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 12:08:49 +0100 From: Marc Schiffbauer To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr Message-ID: <20120105110849.GC20366@lisa.schiffbauer.lan> Mail-Followup-To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org References: <20120101015947.GA9914@linux1> <20120101085326.GA1928@gentoo.org> <20120102194341.3766edeb@pomiocik.lan> <20120104165112.5c24ed12@pomiocik.lan> <20120104155407.7c946dbc@googlemail.com> <1325698810.22213.16.camel@TesterBox.tester.ca> <20120104183007.GG30764@lisa.schiffbauer.lan> <20120105092616.125d76b0@pomiocik.lan> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="pWyiEgJYm5f9v55/" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120105092616.125d76b0@pomiocik.lan> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Virus-Scanned: by ClamAV (http://www.clamav.org) X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: -- X-Archives-Salt: 95cbb512-dc79-4400-92fa-4b85f08d8129 X-Archives-Hash: 52d350815c642a3a669baf6ee426fe36 --pWyiEgJYm5f9v55/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable * Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny schrieb am 05.01.12 um 09:26 Uhr: > On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 19:30:07 +0100 > Marc Schiffbauer wrote: >=20 > > * Olivier Cr=C3=AAte schrieb am 04.01.12 um 18:40 Uhr: > > > On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 15:54 +0000, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > > > On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:51:12 +0100 > > > > Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: > > > > > /bin/systemctl > > > > > libdbus-1.so.3 =3D> /usr/lib64/libdbus-1.so.3 > > > >=20 > > > > Here is a prime example of why "vertical integration" should > > > > really be called "a horrible mess of tight coupling"... > > >=20 > > > You clearly have failed to realize that d-bus is a now the bus for > > > system messaging and is as much part of the system as syslog or > > > bash. Probably even more so, for example, in Fedora 17, you'll be > > > able to boot without syslog or bash, but you need d-bus. > >=20 > > IMO a system should *always* be bootable without that "high level" > > stuff. And by bootable I mean that you can get a root prompt at > > least. >=20 > And why do you consider D-Bus being high-level? Just because things > used to reinvent the wheel before in a much worse fashion? I meant "hight-level" only in a way that it is not really needed to boot the very basic things of a system so that I can get a root prompt at the console at least. E.g. you do not need dbus to find and mount the rootfs, fire a getty and shell. -Marc --=20 8AAC 5F46 83B4 DB70 8317 3723 296C 6CCA 35A6 4134 --pWyiEgJYm5f9v55/ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFPBYTBKWxsyjWmQTQRAglwAKCIvmQET00Lnel8gdnHZGtVubWnMACgkE+f XgLvV52/lXXjnxv4igSy1cw= =oKNm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --pWyiEgJYm5f9v55/--