From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1RiXji-0003Wb-VM for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 20:47:03 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 21ACE21C204; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 20:46:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx10.schiffbauer.net (mx10.schiffbauer.net [188.40.110.137]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6D9921C1B8 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 20:45:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cl-936.ham-02.de.sixxs.net ([2001:6f8:1c00:3a7::2]:54628 helo=lisa.schiffbauer.net) by mx10.schiffbauer.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RiXiP-0003c4-NO for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 21:45:54 +0100 Received: from mschiff by lisa.schiffbauer.net with local (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1RiXiJ-0003Qv-PO for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 21:45:35 +0100 Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 21:45:35 +0100 From: Marc Schiffbauer To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr Message-ID: <20120104204535.GI30764@lisa.schiffbauer.lan> Mail-Followup-To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org References: <20120101015947.GA9914@linux1> <20120101085326.GA1928@gentoo.org> <20120102194341.3766edeb@pomiocik.lan> <20120104165112.5c24ed12@pomiocik.lan> <20120104155407.7c946dbc@googlemail.com> <1325698810.22213.16.camel@TesterBox.tester.ca> <20120104183007.GG30764@lisa.schiffbauer.lan> <1325703182.11298.5.camel@TesterTop4> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="tNQTSEo8WG/FKZ8E" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1325703182.11298.5.camel@TesterTop4> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Virus-Scanned: by ClamAV (http://www.clamav.org) X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: -- X-Archives-Salt: 50f37523-0536-45a8-b5ab-d841b947ce47 X-Archives-Hash: d5480fb926f7e87261d675794c389b6b --tNQTSEo8WG/FKZ8E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable * Olivier Cr=C3=AAte schrieb am 04.01.12 um 19:53 Uhr: > On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 19:30 +0100, Marc Schiffbauer wrote: > > * Olivier Cr=C3=AAte schrieb am 04.01.12 um 18:40 Uhr: > > > On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 15:54 +0000, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > > > On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:51:12 +0100 > > > > Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: > > > > > /bin/systemctl > > > > > libdbus-1.so.3 =3D> /usr/lib64/libdbus-1.so.3 > > > >=20 > > > > Here is a prime example of why "vertical integration" should really= be > > > > called "a horrible mess of tight coupling"... > > >=20 > > > You clearly have failed to realize that d-bus is a now the bus for > > > system messaging and is as much part of the system as syslog or bash. > > > Probably even more so, for example, in Fedora 17, you'll be able to b= oot > > > without syslog or bash, but you need d-bus. > >=20 > > If this was true, we will soon have problems with linux systems that > > windows had in 1995. > >=20 > > IMO a system should *always* be bootable without that "high level" > > stuff. And by bootable I mean that you can get a root prompt at > > least. >=20 > d-bus is not high-level stuff... For example, you can't use bluetooth > without d-bus. Even Android has it.. And you need bluetooth to boot your stable datacenter server systems? > That said, in the new systemd world, bash is.. Since it's only a "UI" > tools (just like gnome-shell for example). Since you don't need it to > boot. Yeah right. Having dbus for bluetooth is much more important than having a shell. Please remember that there are *way* more server systems running linux=20 without any graphical desktop at all than desktop systems. -Marc --=20 8AAC 5F46 83B4 DB70 8317 3723 296C 6CCA 35A6 4134 --tNQTSEo8WG/FKZ8E Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFPBLpvKWxsyjWmQTQRAiHuAJ9V+FvzLRJSY05boGnx4+j5LAAh6wCeK4rA mHg0rsjk31dJ75qVYFE1deQ= =Z3ie -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --tNQTSEo8WG/FKZ8E--