From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1RiVHV-0003y4-5o for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 18:09:45 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 27BE421C134; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 18:09:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ww0-f53.google.com (mail-ww0-f53.google.com [74.125.82.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA83621C027 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 18:09:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wgbds1 with SMTP id ds1so26745715wgb.10 for ; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 10:09:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type; bh=CDt35i+jh7/f/DpNtyt6x3tcADUsSvgTECyfMOkfir0=; b=WSIxBHEK+sewgNljYhn9gr5jflflys8dYy9BU1IRes/VINw1yDV23lk5urG99PFYF+ RLO0U4uzzJEm2YD/QMn0dTfr6eILREhMkz2q5SWkT3PMGhcmqaC5XMegAScd3HbahyJZ QwcxmThPxExGjCUMIbaaZgC67skrdPsScSYVA= Received: by 10.227.199.78 with SMTP id er14mr56812947wbb.10.1325700540012; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 10:09:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (cpc1-broo4-0-0-cust780.14-2.cable.virginmedia.com. [86.4.215.13]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q5sm11960480wbo.8.2012.01.04.10.08.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 04 Jan 2012 10:08:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 18:06:19 +0000 From: Ciaran McCreesh To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr Message-ID: <20120104180619.7615a6af@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <1325698810.22213.16.camel@TesterBox.tester.ca> References: <20120101015947.GA9914@linux1> <20120101085326.GA1928@gentoo.org> <20120102194341.3766edeb@pomiocik.lan> <20120104165112.5c24ed12@pomiocik.lan> <20120104155407.7c946dbc@googlemail.com> <1325698810.22213.16.camel@TesterBox.tester.ca> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.7; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/qX4BlB+nJUCnVthL+6TGAZi"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: 332a6f38-8049-4a78-bf77-00316c53ce7a X-Archives-Hash: 6bebe071a3df84f4cb7e99009e47f99d --Sig_/qX4BlB+nJUCnVthL+6TGAZi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 04 Jan 2012 12:40:10 -0500 Olivier Cr=C3=AAte wrote: > On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 15:54 +0000, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:51:12 +0100 > > Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: > > > /bin/systemctl > > > libdbus-1.so.3 =3D> /usr/lib64/libdbus-1.so.3 > >=20 > > Here is a prime example of why "vertical integration" should really > > be called "a horrible mess of tight coupling"... >=20 > You clearly have failed to realize that d-bus is a now the bus for > system messaging and is as much part of the system as syslog or bash. > Probably even more so, for example, in Fedora 17, you'll be able to > boot without syslog or bash, but you need d-bus. No, I realise full well that some GnomeOS developers would like us to think that HAL, D-BUS, network-manager, udev-extras etc are part of the system, and are sloppily writing code that makes that assumption. However, the question ultimately under discussion is whether Gentoo is to be a Linux distribution or a GnomeOS distribution. --=20 Ciaran McCreesh --Sig_/qX4BlB+nJUCnVthL+6TGAZi Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk8ElSAACgkQ96zL6DUtXhFxVgCfWFDImrxj87Xa/fATtY5FaCPY JaAAoK1jFST/fRORhoxN9TrmWifVtzn2 =LCXA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/qX4BlB+nJUCnVthL+6TGAZi--