From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1RhOm9-0003Sh-8n for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 17:00:49 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9028F21C0C8; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 17:00:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-tul01m020-f181.google.com (mail-tul01m020-f181.google.com [209.85.214.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 308A621C08E for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 17:00:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obbup6 with SMTP id up6so13145591obb.40 for ; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 09:00:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent; bh=Rd/VaYuozbt8hKrEH3fuSU5bgor8U165J34g0Ae8J3c=; b=mysf5HZKDXwspqIFcIztFh2GQheK5oOPAR6czBnwntHvz/l4didNczBWtdbClyrs6Q 2SjLy7oeZ2lVWA20puiXUtjiOLmXcb/rU2ioyX6uHdgbaWTl4cYRxtc8UDwYjF63Yc/E Dt7Am+sFJ8+xxNSnRQfZt5SRAieCLi89C3ZXg= Received: by 10.182.74.97 with SMTP id s1mr28528920obv.42.1325437204605; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 09:00:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from linux1 (cpe-76-187-77-158.tx.res.rr.com. [76.187.77.158]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 1sm46627848obo.2.2012.01.01.09.00.02 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 01 Jan 2012 09:00:03 -0800 (PST) Sender: William Hubbs Received: by linux1 (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 01 Jan 2012 10:56:14 -0600 Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 10:56:14 -0600 From: William Hubbs To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr Message-ID: <20120101165614.GA11860@linux1> Mail-Followup-To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org References: <20120101015947.GA9914@linux1> <1325401942.12935.11.camel@TesterTop4> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="FL5UXtIhxfXey3p5" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1325401942.12935.11.camel@TesterTop4> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Archives-Salt: b014cb0a-955c-4b1b-b6ff-74f1590a29ce X-Archives-Hash: 958206971d5bfc6138eacee02f70ad99 --FL5UXtIhxfXey3p5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Jan 01, 2012 at 02:12:22AM -0500, Olivier Cr=EAte wrote: > > 1) Start migrating packages along with upstream and have everyone who > > has a separate /usr (including me by the way) start using an initramfs > > of some kind, either dracut or one that we generate specifically for > > gentoo. The reason I suggest the initramfs, is, unfortunately if we > > migrate everything, nothing else would work. >=20 > I also don't see a good reason to not adopt dracut, re-implementing > something that already works and is maintained by a competent upstream > seems wasteful to me. I really don't see why people resist using an > initramfs so much. >=20 > The udev/kmod/systemd/dracut effort to standardise the base userspace of > Linux is probably scary for quite a few Gentoo-ers as it means that the > end result of an installed Gentoo system will be less differentiated > than it was before. But it still is a step in the right direction as > most of these standardized pieces are much better than what we currently > have. The OpenRC/baselayout-2 fiasco, not much better than baselayout-1 > and unmaintained upstream shows that even a relatively large > distribution like us can't maintain a competitive base system solution, > adopting the udev/kmod/systemd way will allow us to use all the work > that they are doing and instead concentrate on making a better system. The problem you are missing here is that gentoo isn't just for linux. We are cross-platform, so we have to have a cross-platform init system as the default. Unless they port systemd to *bsd, we may have to keep openrc as the default init system for some time afaik. =20 Also, your statement about openrc not being maintained upstream is not correct. It is correct that Roy doesn't work on it any more, but there is a team that does maintain it. William --FL5UXtIhxfXey3p5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk8AkC4ACgkQblQW9DDEZTjJ8wCgpvrX2cjMhFognJq8aPYua+Re B98AoJyNtFbXqXTeoI73RBvJqjxg8Jun =CSTa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --FL5UXtIhxfXey3p5--