From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1RXzOo-0002JG-M9 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2011 18:05:50 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F197921C206; Tue, 6 Dec 2011 18:05:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09ADA21C1F7 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2011 18:04:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vapier.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76A671B4001 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2011 18:04:38 +0000 (UTC) From: Mike Frysinger Organization: wh0rd.org To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] sys-libs/ncurses: punted from system in profiles Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 13:04:37 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (Linux/3.1.0-atsc; KDE/4.6.5; x86_64; ; ) References: <201112061117.51390.vapier@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart2027682.CcCfBgh64o"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201112061304.38351.vapier@gentoo.org> X-Archives-Salt: 86304e93-2ee3-46b2-9cf3-64788245058b X-Archives-Hash: d91e804f129e14f214b618f834e2854b --nextPart2027682.CcCfBgh64o Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tuesday 06 December 2011 11:50:52 Alec Warner wrote: > On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 8:39 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Mike Frysinger wrote: > >> ncurses is no longer part of the system deps. in practice, this > >> probably won't make a difference to most people since bash itself > >> depends on ncurses, but it does make embedded/etc... simpler. > >=20 > > Hmm, I wonder how much further we'll have to go before you could use > > portage to build an initramfs. :) >=20 > Whatever man, look at all this bloat! >=20 > virtual/ssh i think ssh is so prevalent in today's world that it should be a default on= =20 all Gentoo systems. the people who are building standalone systems to the= =20 point where they don't want ssh in/out are enough of a minority (in my=20 educated guess) that they can go through the hassle of: mkdir -p /etc/portage/profile/ echo net-misc/openssh-0 >> /etc/portage/profile/package.provided what might be interesting is if we had a "Gentoo default" set which is what= =20 would come in a stage3 rather than the current "stage3 is the system set". = =20 then we could move virtual/ssh out of the system set and into the "Gentoo=20 default" set so it'd be easier for people to drop/etc... but i'm not famil= iar=20 enough with the portage support atm to say how feasible such an idea would = be. > sys-apps/kbd this controls keyboard mappings and fonts on the console. while the defaul= t=20 is probably OK for the USians, most everyone else wants to tweak these. > sys-apps/texinfo i personally detest info pages, but we end up needing texinfo by many many= =20 packages just to *build* the info pages. and there are some info pages whi= ch=20 are vastly superior to the man pages (if any are provided) because the GNU= =20 project has the policy of "info pages are the one true documentation format= ". =20 compare & contrast `man gdb` to `info gdb` or `man make` vs `info make`. =2Dmike --nextPart2027682.CcCfBgh64o Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAABAgAGBQJO3lk2AAoJEEFjO5/oN/WBfJsQAM+umu4TckUdcyAPVLXpgeUM 3kXm3shY4z+HkgJESK0/VELqTeaJvPJjijeZsZe+c/O5pPa9yYBsOVJMcArNf5ZI E+1gPGlJSE9YmpVG6ehlnKeMaiQsjCKUI5niavWIa38VlOb5hhRMM0RonlozcqWD 1sbvWzM9mDPfuKv1RWX0RuylSv3HAg1Tco+s72vP6m88i8UPrZP53OFVz8L6gcv6 OKtHqZt3GJyRO5zLAHXat8vKtBUe0ezRvW9ryxFjNbS7mImPcHpAbIzeuNpPE2de mivltTrGVQw0UdD9W9BtZgvOisME308WtYk1oUY/y2Z0/G7etxJbWcwYVN9YKK3m LpREMkUO4mEdgAujjQCOUc7Gk0oTPshRNj9jK1R9A02JDbZ1gNCkPtTdeaZMqQbt edMb+8AEJ7w5X4vvOvvp3TOr+hG73GAisL7Q8T00DfXvKqkB+WivQjosIfVUKmVr ZmH6ILxW5HE5kPvAqu7uWaum/UWZ1PUwezGcTV4CV4cfWIn6QW5HyG08yPfVYX6G RadSx/Hhlx5PDeE7BmzdLyGMQ+7FjTzkMh4fv6KIJu61SzpMFYByvVR/GpfboCdK maPI+VjefcH2bazrn/U83NxoRhIxT9r6g1p8A6D0/Vvqi5E/kU8l0c/bdMhUXTAA LIOfUJmx+q0D7Pkrdgu/ =+ppo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart2027682.CcCfBgh64o--