From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1RVoZo-0007KH-UH for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 18:08:13 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B5B9221C110; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 18:07:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DFAB21C03E for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 18:06:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vapier.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 919501B4012 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 18:06:56 +0000 (UTC) From: Mike Frysinger Organization: wh0rd.org To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: sys-libs/zlib: punt from system in profiles Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 13:06:55 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (Linux/3.1.0; KDE/4.6.5; x86_64; ; ) References: <201111291509.35502.vapier@gentoo.org> <201111301109.28915.vapier@gentoo.org> <4ED65AFD.2000601@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <4ED65AFD.2000601@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1901085.FEl0NXA6Lz"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201111301306.56113.vapier@gentoo.org> X-Archives-Salt: 22427b31-963e-405c-9e97-38f86d37c2e8 X-Archives-Hash: 940ce001039a50cdfdd9d8b1cdc618ad --nextPart1901085.FEl0NXA6Lz Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wednesday 30 November 2011 11:34:05 Zac Medico wrote: > On 11/30/2011 08:09 AM, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > On Wednesday 30 November 2011 01:23:59 Zac Medico wrote: > >> If it wasn't for implicit system dependencies, the system set and its > >> dependencies wouldn't need this kind of special treatment. > >=20 > > if it wasn't for implicit system dependencies, we'd have significant > > bloat in the tree >=20 > I'm not suggesting that we do away with implicit dependencies entirely. > However, I think it's good to minimize them, as removing packages like > sys-libs/zlib from the system set tends to do. i'm good with this as well which is why i've been culling the simpler stuff > > and circular deps out the wazoo >=20 > Ignoring circular dependencies doesn't make them go away. Ignoring > dependencies can lead to build failures that could have been avoided if > they were expressed in a way that the dependency resolver could properly > account for them. that doesn't address the previously mentioned issue. there's absolutely no= =20 reason why the majority of packages in the tree should have to list=20 "coreutils" or "sed" or "grep" in their DEPEND, nor is there any reason why= =20 the system should have been lacking them in the first place. =2Dmike --nextPart1901085.FEl0NXA6Lz Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAABAgAGBQJO1nDAAAoJEEFjO5/oN/WBDJYQAMvjKhqw8lov0i4FSIcYebL6 Ucp3SBbaAyBUrVDwnEi0g4e1VdaJ2p/oSc7lKCYmV6rgAxBQ1jV0Nu2EiV2mis7A 9muk73qq0I9MkR+uzlhiLtKEB6IUI86rb8geh6cG5cHaBvPaVXD/1pDU17BcZrg8 wRpRFyQ1LrhCDD0nxLez+FgKN1cZQUZZJTJ5bB8tV0kIN4BnnbRTXADUFEYh/eOP 7e0Uy1CWyk2St0vUo9z3CvzyWRLRrTZrgHlfD5Q8H418FwMKfvPF4wWH3apL+rKD TdWDk2Mckp0QJBZ3Q+p/g5N/g9EGpMobM2/icbQRu095O7oO8E/K9Zz+BXP0kR8w QqvESmPuP7dheH3YJXNSY0KJTHYIa/8koCqejkINltwhTBxl4WraeVrbatFu2nPo PfWcmiRbX0nVlaDz4qiOt4csFLFJyaJiTuo5MZqw/lwiLbZCOgX2ea0XlgFyOYLI oFmAbGZMOQjcFl6KS6slfbOWFbxPu3vI5YHG6OzVBSwNS6xK6taPU8uZOkdUCT7j hjSbKYnuuZaokyqbhqtWNlxUmmIhr4/gBlBADSfXa09lDHrDLUnPwHdmVhdimjXn maRIlxFrDCSQ+Ciw0jp/chRbf1Vl4+2hfY8MGgML26bM5Q17F4/9Y478XJ4MJXFE rhh9a/hJUDLO7jrE8k+S =uzQM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1901085.FEl0NXA6Lz--