From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1RFV7A-0005I3-DW for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2011 18:07:12 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 743E621C1C2; Sun, 16 Oct 2011 18:07:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from out5.smtp.messagingengine.com (out5.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.29]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B541E0370 for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2011 18:06:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.nyi.mail.srv.osa [10.202.2.41]) by gateway1.nyi.mail.srv.osa (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9C6120719 for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2011 14:06:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frontend2.nyi.mail.srv.osa ([10.202.2.161]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Sun, 16 Oct 2011 14:06:26 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id :references:mime-version:content-type:in-reply-to; s=smtpout; bh=Jm8XmTXdqi3pw145I3WrzJfe9/c=; b=EmyauvBS6aK2b5nTAOTtP7kz9/Yq 6Gmk51ENQ8vTGS0xqi562Tu7qVNR38D00C51PJsGkRojbcb38SJzcqqR3/0v/+fv IPBL73t4gHVjtsgUsnMGwKsiCm2hrxgB0gmqqC/oNiwjEmGQrtnoYT5lVjOvAtx7 zOROXJZLZsH2yIY= X-Sasl-enc: YCrH51Zh+8eKlaUY/iKAj34pb5Bkm1tpVn5SClhqXmb4 1318788386 Received: from localhost (c-76-121-69-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [76.121.69.168]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7BA6F4833D9; Sun, 16 Oct 2011 14:06:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 11:06:23 -0700 From: Greg KH To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion for getting rid of udev Message-ID: <20111016180623.GA8979@kroah.com> References: <20111012044023.GA8203@waltdnes.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20111012044023.GA8203@waltdnes.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 3de958215fe834da87b8cee542a08f15 On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 12:40:23AM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: > Hi all > > Recently, there was a firestorm on the gentoo-user list over the idea > that udev would eventually require /usr to be on the same physical > parition as /, or else use initramfs, which is its own can of worms. I'm > not a programmer, let alone a developer. Rather than merely ranting, I > went and searched for an alternative. udev is not the problem here, please do not shoot the messenger. And read the documentation for what is going on before making statements like "we have to replace udev", otherwise it comes across very foolish. > Forking udev is probably not an option. The udev lead developer is a > Redhat employee, and his direction seems to be to drag everybody in > Redhat's direction. Our community doesn't have Redhat's billions. Since when was udev written by RedHat's billions? You do know the history of it, right? > The other option is to drop udev entirely. As an example, I suggest > looking at Alpine Linux http://alpinelinux.org/ It's a lightweight > server-oriented distro. It uses busybox's mdev instead of udev, and > some other mdev substitutes in place of standard packages. Haha, mdev, yeah right. Have fun with that... greg k-h