On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 11:14:31 -0400 Olivier CrĂȘte wrote: > On Wed, 2011-10-12 at 18:49 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 23:00:23 +0530 > > Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: > > > Then please continue with udev in package.mask and kindly stop > > > trying to impose your workflow on the rest of the world. > > > > Isn't the point here that the desktop / GNOME OS guys are trying to > > impose their deep integration, tight coupling workflow upon the > > rest of the world? > > We're imposing our deep integration because it's the only way to make > a compelling platform that "just works", forcing users to tell the > computer something the computer already knows is just plain lazy and > stupid. The problem with a platform that "just works" is that when it doesn't work, no-one knows how to fix it. That's what's happened here: the deep integration doesn't work in the common case that /usr is on its own filesystem, but because of all the excessive coupling you're unable to fix it and so are trying to pass the blame elsewhere. The first step in fixing it is to decouple all of the horrible mess that has been making its way into the base system over the past couple of years. -- Ciaran McCreesh