From: Nicolas Sebrecht <nsebrecht@piing.fr>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Cc: Nicolas Sebrecht <nsebrecht@piing.fr>
Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: udev and /usr
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 10:03:00 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110919080300.GA2401@nicolas-desktop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <pan.2011.09.18.18.14.28@cox.net>
The 18/09/11, Duncan wrote:
> > I don't see any added benefit from using DBUS on my servers.
Insterstingly, Duncan just answered your question...
> Interesting question. I hadn't seen the suggestion until this thread,
> either, and it bothered me too.
From here:
> With a moment's thought, I decided I could probably return to a semi-
> static dev setup reasonably easily. I'd potentially turn on the early-dev
> option in the kernel that I still have off, ATM, which presumably would
> mount a tmpfs on dev and populate it with the earliest devices. After
> that, if necessary, I'd copy the existing udev-created nodes out to a
> persistent state dir, and copy them back in with a little init-time
> script of my own. As long as the device ordering remains stable, this
> could include by-label, etc, symlinks, or I could simply kill the by-
> label, by-uid stuff in fstab, and go back to traditional devices there,
> too.
>
> Either that, or simply go back to a static /dev entirely.
>
> People with dynamic ordered devices may have to devise their own scripts,
> tho, or perhaps more likely, fork off udev from the pre-union state.
...to here.
> But it's also possible that's far enough in the future that we can't
> really answer the question now, since technology will have changed enough
> to make an answer now look senseless, then. Consider trying to answer
> the question in terms of the kernel devfs back before udev. The tech
> simply changed and those answers wouldn't really work, today.
Upstream changes the init process is done. So, you're free to either:
stick to upstream (with best long term support);
or
fork off upstream (requires knowledges, manpower and time);
or
go back to 1960 with a full/partial static /dev (asking to manually
maintain the crap).
See the benenfit, now?
--
Nicolas Sebrecht
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-09-19 8:04 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-09-15 14:33 [gentoo-dev] udev and /usr Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-15 15:07 ` Zac Medico
2011-09-15 16:04 ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-15 16:27 ` Zac Medico
2011-09-15 20:03 ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-15 20:14 ` Michał Górny
2011-09-15 20:37 ` Mike Frysinger
2011-09-15 20:45 ` "Paweł Hajdan, Jr."
2011-09-15 21:24 ` Brian Harring
2011-09-15 20:27 ` Rich Freeman
2011-09-15 21:56 ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-15 20:31 ` Robin H. Johnson
2011-09-15 22:05 ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-15 20:34 ` Zac Medico
2011-09-15 22:13 ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-15 22:27 ` Michał Górny
2011-09-16 6:02 ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-15 20:56 ` William Hubbs
2011-09-15 22:17 ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-15 18:29 ` Rich Freeman
2011-09-15 20:40 ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-15 20:54 ` Rich Freeman
2011-09-15 21:48 ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-16 0:32 ` Rich Freeman
2011-09-16 7:25 ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-16 7:29 ` Robin H. Johnson
2011-09-15 19:31 ` Luca Barbato
2011-09-15 20:33 ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-16 4:03 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2011-09-16 13:59 ` Rich Freeman
2011-09-25 6:35 ` Mike Frysinger
2011-09-25 9:53 ` Nirbheek Chauhan
2011-09-26 1:32 ` Mike Frysinger
2011-09-26 1:57 ` Nirbheek Chauhan
2011-09-26 2:27 ` Zac Medico
2011-09-26 4:35 ` Nirbheek Chauhan
2011-09-26 2:27 ` Mike Frysinger
2011-09-25 12:53 ` Rich Freeman
2011-09-25 23:16 ` "Paweł Hajdan, Jr."
2011-09-26 1:37 ` Mike Frysinger
2011-09-18 5:43 ` [gentoo-dev] " Luca Barbato
2011-09-18 12:38 ` Rich Freeman
2011-09-18 12:49 ` Michał Górny
2011-09-18 12:59 ` Nirbheek Chauhan
2011-09-18 14:27 ` Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
2011-09-18 14:51 ` Michał Górny
2011-09-18 17:26 ` Nirbheek Chauhan
2011-09-19 8:15 ` Joshua Kinard
2011-09-19 8:25 ` Alec Warner
2011-09-19 8:44 ` Joshua Kinard
2011-09-19 8:33 ` Michał Górny
2011-09-19 8:57 ` Joshua Kinard
2011-09-19 9:10 ` Michał Górny
2011-09-19 10:30 ` Dale
2011-09-19 10:37 ` Joshua Kinard
2011-09-19 11:17 ` Arun Raghavan
2011-09-19 23:19 ` Joshua Kinard
2011-09-20 0:29 ` Rich Freeman
2011-09-20 2:08 ` Joshua Kinard
2011-09-20 2:50 ` Zac Medico
2011-09-20 6:48 ` Fabian Groffen
2011-09-19 17:36 ` Greg KH
2011-09-19 18:00 ` Rich Freeman
2011-09-19 21:46 ` Luca Barbato
2011-09-19 22:40 ` Greg KH
2011-09-19 22:57 ` Nirbheek Chauhan
2011-09-20 3:53 ` Zac Medico
2011-09-19 23:24 ` Joshua Kinard
2011-09-18 19:27 ` Zac Medico
2011-09-15 19:41 ` Robin H. Johnson
2011-09-15 21:00 ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-15 22:18 ` Robin H. Johnson
2011-09-16 8:36 ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-16 18:06 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2011-09-17 6:16 ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-17 14:10 ` Rich Freeman
2011-09-19 8:25 ` Joshua Kinard
2011-09-17 18:40 ` [gentoo-dev] " Robin H. Johnson
2011-09-18 15:22 ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-18 18:14 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2011-09-18 18:59 ` Rich Freeman
2011-09-19 8:03 ` Nicolas Sebrecht [this message]
2011-09-19 7:59 ` [gentoo-dev] " Joshua Kinard
2011-09-19 8:25 ` Michał Górny
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