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[74.95.192.101]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm52329432pbk.5.2011.09.17.23.01.19 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 17 Sep 2011 23:01:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by smtp.gmail.com:587 (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 17 Sep 2011 23:01:20 -0700 Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 23:01:20 -0700 From: Brian Harring <ferringb@gmail.com> To: Donnie Berkholz <dberkholz@gentoo.org> Cc: Zac Medico <zmedico@gentoo.org>, gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Fwd: [gentoo-dev-announce] Call for items for September 13 council meeting Message-ID: <20110918060120.GA6005@localhost> References: <4E64C7BB.907@gentoo.org> <201109160122.00747.Arfrever.FTA@gmail.com> <20110915235444.GB31364@beast> <201109160220.27814.Arfrever@gentoo.org> <4E73BA52.3000501@gentoo.org> <20110918034735.GA4525@comet.mayo.edu> <4E758121.8020002@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-dev+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-dev.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4E758121.8020002@gentoo.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: c3c10db4c7dc2785e5bef91eb2437b28 On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 10:26:57PM -0700, Zac Medico wrote: > On 09/17/2011 08:47 PM, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > > On 14:06 Fri 16 Sep , Zac Medico wrote: > >> Bumping the EAPI of the root profiles/eapi file would be a different > >> matter, since it applies to the whole repository. If you want to > >> version bump that repository-level EAPI, then you need to wait until > >> at least 6 months after supporting package managers have been > >> available in stable. > > > > So in your opinion, it would be fine to bump profiles/eapi to EAPI=4 > > now? > > Yes, it's feasible. As a consequence, we may get some complaints from > users who haven't upgraded during the last six months. Bit more than complaints; any system running a PM older than 6 months or so (regardless of paludis/portage/pkgcore) will have to roll their own profile to merge *anything*. Period. A pkg going to an unsupported eapi precludes the package from being used; bumping the root profile node to 4 (or any node in the users chain) means they /cannot use that profile/. If people are seriously going to pull something this level of heinous, at the very least plan it- it's a sizable enough breakage other things could/should be shoved in (including giving people significant warning). To be absolutely clear, You bump the base to EAPI4, you're actively making every system w/ a 6 month lag basically invalidated. For reference of the actual eapi usage in the tree (pinspect eapi_usage), is the following: eapi: '0' 10629 pkgs found, 36.73% of the repository eapi: '2' 7254 pkgs found, 25.07% of the repository eapi: '3' 5315 pkgs found, 18.37% of the repository eapi: '4' 5013 pkgs found, 17.32% of the repository eapi: '1' 728 pkgs found, 2.52% of the repository > For users like > these, we could take a snapshot of the tree before the EAPI is bumped, > and archive it so they can use it to update their package manager to a > version that supports the new EAPI. Target the profiles; no need to snapshot the whole tree unless the plan is to bump 83% of the tree forward to EAPI4 shortly there after (which is mildly rediculous in it's own anyways)... ~harring