From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1QGdVi-0008G4-JR for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 01 May 2011 20:44:58 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 63DB51C090; Sun, 1 May 2011 20:44:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-px0-f179.google.com (mail-px0-f179.google.com [209.85.212.179]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C20E1C084 for ; Sun, 1 May 2011 20:43:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pxi2 with SMTP id 2so1773460pxi.10 for ; Sun, 01 May 2011 13:43:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent; bh=/2k6mxSKxnDl5ycYh3Ph1iftT+gYgjmnE/wLtJ4Hmao=; b=FgWTcVgY5j3GR6fbaw9o3ZpQ1R40YFdZBN4RtN6gggUDvch51WZOC6UTRPFFV9Ecgc bTxtKAp1ixPxjCN9y6G9o2hlKtia8xN5LuhrslMud35GEKW8/FOG1UuXTtoW7nsV8aUe XLdB6BVG5P/EljZ78E8e++TXQj+iLgV1u+wDc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; b=uYBUj2SVw89lgT+0tXyRkjrHWLhLdbf3E8Kku2iv2yZ6tqnqRYfYGxhQkRyDRwMWI1 uOC/6kpYaQm9bTnasNlShLfupNVB8e/Z3asRqJvpPifgz7uYOJygQh3lQGsv6aEG6qa9 GVralMz9tQSL7feUW+sO2CobZqDFGEosgG7Wg= Received: by 10.68.55.201 with SMTP id u9mr7836748pbp.328.1304282605826; Sun, 01 May 2011 13:43:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.gmail.com (c-24-20-36-83.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [24.20.36.83]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h1sm3344894pbe.69.2011.05.01.13.43.23 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 01 May 2011 13:43:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by smtp.gmail.com (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 01 May 2011 13:43:25 -0700 Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 13:43:25 -0700 From: Brian Harring To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Devmanual text on ChangeLogs Message-ID: <20110501204325.GF23166@hrair> References: <4DBBCC6D.7080504@gentoo.org> <4DBBD02B.3060909@gentoo.org> <20110430203931.GA2414@Vereniki.lan> <4DBD22A7.3080500@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Y1L3PTX8QE8cb2T+" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4DBD22A7.3080500@gentoo.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 0ebab9b16e5bf29f913cf32451391e81 --Y1L3PTX8QE8cb2T+ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, May 01, 2011 at 12:06:47PM +0300, Samuli Suominen wrote: > ... the time alone if you have to stop on each package to wait for > echangelog to get done just doubles the amount of time you have to put > into committing them. That's just not worth the effort. This argument sucks; if the tool is problematic... fix the tool. =20 Simple example, why is is it interactive? Add a -m option to it; no longer have to watch it, just fire=20 the command in a term (or in screen) w/ the message given to it=20 already. Beyond that... I suspect *everyone* would appreciate optimization done=20 to echangelog. From a quick look... seems like it's cvs status, than=20 a cvs diff. Trying to collapse that into a single op, falling back to=20 status might not be a bad thing (or parallelizing the requests so the=20 slowness of cvs doesn't cause sequentially stack up). Either way.. fix the tool, rather than just doing the wrong thing. > So not only they are rather useless, and information you can easily get > from sources.gentoo.org, they take your time as well. I think the dial up users would have a real issue with your "easily=20 get from sources.g.o" statement- same for users like myself when I'm=20 in public transit/flying/working somewhere than work and at home (I=20 actually do use those logs when I'm checking depgraph/pcheck issues). Either way, fix the tool, or prove that the tool can't go any faster,=20 and *then* it's a potential discussion. Right now it really isn't,=20 imo. ~brian --Y1L3PTX8QE8cb2T+ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.15 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk29xe0ACgkQsiLx3HvNzgfajgCfQqDgMgOWYisYJoG0KHfCLdq/ ybcAn3YPIW46av7davO+XJfPOHjmIf9x =0PYe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Y1L3PTX8QE8cb2T+--