From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1QG9lY-0005yw-9F for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2011 12:59:22 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2BB0E1C0C6; Sat, 30 Apr 2011 12:59:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-px0-f182.google.com (mail-px0-f182.google.com [209.85.212.182]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBA5A1C0A2 for ; Sat, 30 Apr 2011 12:58:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pxi20 with SMTP id 20so1166696pxi.13 for ; Sat, 30 Apr 2011 05:58:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent; bh=3fpzX9HmO2FPKlybDsZtZicbdh+N3RUWMzJulq3TXBA=; b=JGu8WYjSZEvKGJNPub7I/edNRWadFjC4REM6ul5sN09Jml46gnB69m4Dcq3Je6iCJZ ufv+tq2WDBrOD+tiYD2yVcPnzAY8Q0hCAfZl1oBpL8uyQQjtHFRAARo5QhSR8wBYX6tN uKIx9eenzW6f2MrjXtgn60rEwfPYyh2eAQ+XM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; b=N0eXyJU1MSCxpImfhleATBiCnNywv6F5oKRRXXYnzow5Y9kVWy2hkiULaMdeYSXmHF Mr5+FT96nPLk1zagDbnfkVOezsCUbVXMdEnmWkh3unm5PudAq6CA8OUKkXvGZr9Vj1oQ xQ1tURRBIm0D7woLyEbgXhkGi9GqTztBKgxIc= Received: by 10.142.7.12 with SMTP id 12mr2327974wfg.181.1304168321930; Sat, 30 Apr 2011 05:58:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.gmail.com (c-24-20-36-83.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [24.20.36.83]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z10sm4499454wfj.15.2011.04.30.05.58.38 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 30 Apr 2011 05:58:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by smtp.gmail.com (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 30 Apr 2011 05:58:42 -0700 Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 05:58:42 -0700 From: Brian Harring To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Cc: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: openrc portage news item Message-ID: <20110430125842.GD20648@hrair> References: <20110413181538.GA2894@linux1> <20110421011221.GA1736@eee> <201104221239.11593.polynomial-c@gentoo.org> <20110429184135.GA20648@hrair> <20110430021950.GC6032@linux1> <20110430045945.GB20648@hrair> <20110430114643.GC20648@hrair> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="q9KOos5vDmpwPx9o" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: e317e6191fbf4759c0801d38c4f8530b --q9KOos5vDmpwPx9o Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 08:03:43AM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote: Frankly getting fairly annoyed people are immediately taking it to=20 the rhel/ubuntu extremes- that is *not* what I asked and is frankly=20 a strawman argument. Occasional pain on upgrades is a given in=20 gentoo, although anyone claiming we've not kept an eye on those sharp=20 corners is delusional (versioned eapi, etc-update's very existance,=20 portage warning on removal of a pkg in the system set, the list goes=20 on). Hell, even the notification mechanism y'all want to use for=20 informing is an example of trying to soften those corners were=20 possible, rather than precluding their existance. I asked if we had looked at scripting away some of the upgrade pains. =20 It's a pretty simple fucking question requiring either a 5 second=20 "no" or 5 minutes of "yes, heres what we looked at, they were deemed=20 too painful". Answering that also is a helluva lot quicker then=20 people trading barbs over "we need to release it now" or proper SA;=20 while your retort was dead on for what folks should do, it was=20 completely unrelated to answering the question I'm *asking*. If we didn't look into it, that's fine. Means I've got something to=20 poke at over the weekend. If we did, and it was ruled out, awesome, I have other things on my=20 todo list I'll poke at this weekend. ~harring --q9KOos5vDmpwPx9o Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.15 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk28B4IACgkQsiLx3HvNzgdNgwCgvx+cLavDBVufz0DNQNH3m4mh giMAoKPFmR7/fV/ZooRYrICppNUm5v37 =wMD1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --q9KOos5vDmpwPx9o--