From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1QAKcm-0007OU-Kd for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 11:22:12 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6B0B11C0AC; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 11:22:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E50611C08A for ; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 11:21:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from test (mpt-emc01.eit.hs-mittweida.de [141.55.66.41]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: tomjbe) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C5C0F1B400A for ; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 11:21:34 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 13:21:16 +0200 From: Thomas Beierlein To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc portage news item Message-ID: <20110414132116.3315a767@test> In-Reply-To: <1862409.dc8aBZ6kWJ@ugly-elf> References: <20110413181538.GA2894@linux1> <1862409.dc8aBZ6kWJ@ugly-elf> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.8 (GTK+ 2.22.1; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/KJU2rNJQ3kTEcPvQ=svt20i"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: b992b5ee49ac4407216ccbadadb063c2 --Sig_/KJU2rNJQ3kTEcPvQ=svt20i Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 14 Apr 2011 12:51:55 +0200 Tom=E1? Chv=E1tal wrote: > On Thursday 14 of April 2011 13:32:04 Kfir Lavi wrote: > > When i run world update, I usually don't really check all the > > written stuff. > >=20 > > If I do this, I'm sure a lot more Gentoo users do the same. > > So do expect people rebooting the machine without checking what > > your have wrote. > > This can be a major headache if you have few systems that are doing > > auto updates. > > I would solve this issue by stopping the emerge and getting the > > attention of the user. > > If I don't get the attention of the user, no openrc will be > > installed. It should be something like emerge -C ... 1 .2 3 4 5... > >=20 > > To conclude, you can't issue such a change without proper > > confirmation from the user. > >=20 > This was discussed multiple times, news items are to be read. > Users ignore elog informations/web announcements/... so it was agreed > that news item is agressive enough to user so they must read it. > If they don't do so it is just their fault. > And no runtime changing for portage where it expect some input is > seriously stupid idea, most of us script updates in batch and noone > would actualy read it. >=20 > Never the less as I said we expect user to read that stuff and if he > does not he is on his own due to his dumb approach. Maybe we should underline our intention by having that policy documented in the installation handbook. A good place may be section 2 "Working with Gentoo" (http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=3D2). At least all newbies will stumble upon it once. Regards, Thomas. --Sig_/KJU2rNJQ3kTEcPvQ=svt20i Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk2m2LcACgkQQe4uqXYgU9UrPQCgp0RDr3vFKjUAvEbS8kZYzUmm PrMAoJt6Tw5oe/yBkZ2IDoa7Gch9AG48 =HU/B -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/KJU2rNJQ3kTEcPvQ=svt20i--