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From: Thilo Bangert <bangert@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: The future of sys-apps/openrc in Gentoo
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 14:57:45 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201008241457.49173.bangert@gentoo.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4C738E95.1010501@gentoo.org>

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> Or you just let a shell handle it. Does most of the things
> automatically, has a pretty low memory and startup overhead, and it
> tends to be quite human-readable.
> 
> ... why would I want to remove a 

> stable

the biggest complaint about openrc is that its not in stable - go figure.

> , efficient, known-good solution
> that does what you'd expect it to do and replace it with a new thingy
> that doesn't provide all the features, is harder to debug etc. etc.? I
> just don't see any *advantage* from it apart from saying "OMG HAZ NEW
> FEATRUES" :)

one feature of systemd is, that it has an active upstream. 

no, i dont think it would be a good idea to switch to systemd, just yet. 
but like the original baselayout was breaking new ground back when it 
first was developed, so is systemd. it does things differently and may not 
have all features yet, but from the outset it appears to be vastly 
superior to sysv-style inits, upstart and openrc.

granted, systemd is currently able to attract enthusiastic supporters. 
reducing these to mere fanboys, however, is ignoring the technical 
solution that systemd proposes. yes, openrc works great - and yes, systemd 
is a better solution when looking at the overall problem.

given how long, so far, it has taken openrc to reach stable, it is no 
wonder people start lobbying for systemd today. ;-)

kind regards
Thilo

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  reply	other threads:[~2010-08-24 13:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-07-04 14:29 [gentoo-dev] The future of sys-apps/openrc in Gentoo Lars Wendler
2010-07-04 15:01 ` [gentoo-dev] " Nikos Chantziaras
2010-07-04 18:23   ` Daniel Schömer
2010-07-04 15:17 ` [gentoo-dev] " Fabio Erculiani
2010-07-04 18:35   ` Markos Chandras
2010-07-04 19:39   ` [gentoo-dev] " Ryan Hill
2010-07-04 20:09     ` Jory A. Pratt
2010-07-05  2:23       ` Richard Freeman
2010-07-05  3:32         ` Nirbheek Chauhan
2010-07-05  8:57           ` Duncan
2010-08-23 15:05             ` Gilles Dartiguelongue
2010-08-23 15:16               ` Jory A. Pratt
2010-08-23 16:25               ` Mike Frysinger
2010-08-23 17:26               ` Olivier Crête
2010-08-23 18:09                 ` Mike Auty
2010-08-23 18:28                   ` Olivier Crête
2010-08-23 18:43                     ` Patrick McLean
2010-08-24  9:19                 ` Patrick Lauer
2010-08-24 12:57                   ` Thilo Bangert [this message]
2010-08-24 14:30                     ` Richard Freeman
2010-08-24 16:38                       ` Joshua Saddler
2010-08-24 17:18                         ` Christian Faulhammer
2010-08-25  3:21                           ` Joshua Saddler
2010-08-25  3:57                             ` Nathan Zachary
2010-08-25  4:14                               ` Joshua Saddler
2010-08-25 16:37                               ` Richard Freeman
2010-08-25 19:06                                 ` Mike Frysinger
2010-08-25 20:16                                   ` Richard Freeman
2010-08-26  0:29                                     ` Duncan
2010-08-26 17:02                                       ` Richard Freeman
2010-08-26 18:29                                         ` Mike Frysinger
2010-08-27  1:55                                           ` Duncan
2010-08-24 16:19                     ` Mike Frysinger
2010-08-24 19:07                       ` Thilo Bangert
2010-07-05 13:03           ` Anthony G. Basile
2010-07-04 16:28 ` [gentoo-dev] " Pacho Ramos
2010-07-04 21:02 ` Mike Frysinger
2010-07-04 22:04   ` Lars Wendler
2010-07-04 22:15     ` Mike Frysinger
2010-07-04 23:23       ` Lars Wendler
2010-07-05  1:03       ` Olivier Crête
2010-07-05  1:30         ` Brian Harring
2010-07-05 16:11           ` Enrico Weigelt
2010-07-05  3:23         ` Mike Frysinger
2010-07-05  4:13         ` Nirbheek Chauhan
2010-07-05 16:13           ` Enrico Weigelt
2010-07-07  0:56             ` Doug Goldstein
2010-07-05  7:29         ` Patrick Lauer
2010-08-23 14:17         ` Jon Portnoy
2010-08-23 20:21         ` Luca Barbato
2010-08-23 20:30           ` Anthony G. Basile
2010-08-23 21:07           ` Mike Frysinger
2010-08-24  9:08             ` Luca Barbato

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