From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Oi3ok-0002MH-DR for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 08 Aug 2010 11:13:26 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 52A70E083D; Sun, 8 Aug 2010 11:13:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B771DE0828 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2010 11:13:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61ED21B403E for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2010 11:13:20 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: -1.548 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.548 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=-0.438, BAYES_05=-1.11] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Llw6sX1zEfcS for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2010 11:13:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-px0-f177.google.com (mail-px0-f177.google.com [209.85.212.177]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F058D1B4021 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2010 11:13:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pxi13 with SMTP id 13so3895028pxi.36 for ; Sun, 08 Aug 2010 04:13:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:received:date:from:to:cc :subject:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type :content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=5XW8EuBVT9QS4icTZd3ZxNlLx99nKI67SJx1Fu+9ZRA=; b=GyvyfFe7w79DbVXb3pfLkjd0gDG1mOOrWDo4GaIHmeBa3toyAFuTAH4g3bmaY4hFpg dyRMd2kTqCEgL8vouL7sSBQjYOt7B0Ip+qJK7HPGSmH8pIYG4IbpUTkUMO7EvG7wmyjl I8Zn65b4bKGRMuw81R07B+x+5DGMnNjF0GvFI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; b=qtbCTctEWXX+j71+b9GNy1dxej6gOiCcYrJKvgnpSD2/9c54wsVVTvVKzuczzByawW +CPuWRDvzgQvVYC5ZBmkwkmUJVl6XdYBQg1ESaAegrzDAYauji+yJi3Q2E1iyaRtW45+ COCAW5vsO+pc/yeoriAugE+9ufTu8DOYAhn0w= Received: by 10.142.136.1 with SMTP id j1mr12789548wfd.329.1281265993449; Sun, 08 Aug 2010 04:13:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.gmail.com (c-67-171-128-62.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [67.171.128.62]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 33sm4813774wfg.21.2010.08.08.04.13.10 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 08 Aug 2010 04:13:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by smtp.gmail.com (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 08 Aug 2010 04:11:09 -0700 Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 04:11:09 -0700 From: Brian Harring To: Ciaran McCreesh Cc: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Council Agenda 20100809 rev 01 Message-ID: <20100808111109.GA30937@hrair> References: <4C5C61F6.3050108@gentoo.org> <20100807131630.GJ12708@hrair.al.intel.com> <20100807204832.GA21345@linux1> <20100808084607.175a483d@snowcone> <20100808085526.GL12708@hrair.al.intel.com> <20100808101001.703a51d3@snowcone> <20100808100534.GM12708@hrair.al.intel.com> <20100808111803.6f4f21af@snowcone> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="6TrnltStXW4iwmi0" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20100808111803.6f4f21af@snowcone> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Archives-Salt: b26c6129-eef0-4a0b-83c6-5268a104281f X-Archives-Hash: 0b22be6c0773ea58999c6d0f5af6eced --6TrnltStXW4iwmi0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Aug 08, 2010 at 11:18:03AM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sun, 8 Aug 2010 03:05:34 -0700 > Brian Harring wrote: > > > GLEP 55 *was* put up for a vote, along with GLEP 54, on 20090514. > > > GLEP 54 was accepted subject to GLEP 55 being approved. The vote on > > > GLEP 55 was a tie. > >=20 > > A tie, with a decision to revisit next meeting- the next meeting it=20 > > was decided that yes, g55 is addressing what can be considered a real= =20 > > issue. And in the 14 months since then, no one has requested it be=20 > > voted on, or revisited. >=20 > It's extremely misleading of you to claim that it's the responsibility > of the GLEP 55 authors to push it to the Council at this point. That > was already tried several times, and got nowhere. Whether you like it or not, it *is* the authors responsibility. If you want something passed/accepted it's ultimately your=20 responsibility to see it through to the finish- even if the last=20 council dropped it on the ground. Hopefully to make this clear so that this claim never shows up again,=20 shit happens. The "request for topics" and "agenda" emails that are=20 sent out are your chance to request council discussion, to point out=20 that they dropped something, etc. Things don't always make it onto=20 the council agenda- you keep pushing, refining the proposal, etc, till=20 you get it in there. Like it or not, that's the system. If in doubt, I'll just point out that both mtime and REQUIRED_USE were=20 dropped multiple months- pushing them forward I deemed worthwhile so I=20 kept bringing it up till it made it into an agenda instead of=20 silently dropped. Either way, those are your options- if you want something implemented,=20 ultimately it's your responsibility to see it through. I'd strongly argue this applies beyond just the council- for PMS as an=20 example, even if you manage to get something approved ultimately if=20 you want it to move forward the implementation falls to your plate. =20 Same thing goes for cvs/git, either you're reliant on other peoples=20 time, or you contribute your own time to try and move it forward. For the Heinlein fans, TANSTAFL is appropriate. Either way, it's on the agenda. In the future ask for stuff to be=20 readded if it falls off, saves a lot of grief in the process. ~harring --6TrnltStXW4iwmi0 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.15 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkxekM0ACgkQsiLx3HvNzgdELQCfa/zuRF5mD+6BLkQXscBqI1NV MNIAoNrpUdUjym3HAsuAYTIBzeCkN9Na =ECzV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --6TrnltStXW4iwmi0--