From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OhVnu-0004jM-3A for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 06 Aug 2010 22:54:18 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DE2DEE0A6C; Fri, 6 Aug 2010 22:54:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wy0-f181.google.com (mail-wy0-f181.google.com [74.125.82.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58191E09D5 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2010 22:53:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyf28 with SMTP id 28so3250317wyf.40 for ; Fri, 06 Aug 2010 15:53:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:sender:date:from:to:subject :message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition :in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=YiORbaPxxOq8eqYOZpfm4f2DMNzwt9SPFMmlIyy6OVo=; b=Jm3Lv6eIR758U3WUWWFsZ6/9NajSQskKywMjAL/RKtE8g/0IcUT0LqDqEjdSb6WDKh GZ8oxYFKgLHu4SEmjXjRL3wo57j/T4ZjDamrd1n5Il0ITly6XfdVjvn6zyWHwkpwgHJ4 uaB3YJ2W13qMptgN7JLCX17OVeN+06S8DLG3A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; b=BXxrf3NSKWmdqSgUMXaqYThayWHx5Pe8sZbepNTho5Bx2qWlAMMVYt5WlZkaydqLv+ ssBLu4qanpjtqNgC1Z7H+6fCaB/oXgZCqMnAPJdWj2uQBblpF90fc55ovMHiGjPVnFly QvO0pMJOy2a9cI33zaEwoflcqsg/rY/vaIPLw= Received: by 10.216.20.139 with SMTP id p11mr39816wep.94.1281135238759; Fri, 06 Aug 2010 15:53:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Mystical ([193.92.228.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u11sm1203525weq.7.2010.08.06.15.53.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 06 Aug 2010 15:53:57 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Markos Chandras Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 01:54:19 +0300 From: Markos Chandras To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] net-proxy/squid needs your love Message-ID: <20100806225419.GA3436@Mystical> References: <20100804115055.GA15984@Eternity> <4C599162.7050001@gentoo.org> <20100804173457.GB19427@Mystical> <4C59A7B8.6070208@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4C59A7B8.6070208@gentoo.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Archives-Salt: 8cb94401-e2d5-468b-991a-cbb98c1403c6 X-Archives-Hash: 289619233451fdfdbf3ba1cf79939862 --BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Aug 04, 2010 at 08:47:36PM +0300, Petteri R=E4ty wrote: > On 08/04/2010 08:34 PM, Markos Chandras wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 04, 2010 at 07:12:18PM +0300, Petteri R=E4ty wrote: > >> On 08/04/2010 02:50 PM, Markos Chandras wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> @Council: Yet another example that we need to track the status of eve= ry > >>> single project in order to have a clear picture of which projects are > >>> active and which are dead > >>> > >> > >> Pruning projects that don't actively elect a lead would be a good start > >> and that doesn't require anything from the council to be implemented. > >> > >> Regards, > >> Petteri > >> > > Don't you think we need a team for that? Who is eligible to filter the = project > > list and ask status updates from them? > >=20 >=20 > I think undertakers can take care of any possible cleanup commits as > they already touch project pages for developer retirements.=20 Is there enough manpower for that ? > If you want > to join for that purpose just be in contact with them and I think they > will accept my proposal.=20 I wish I could but I am involved in way too many projects. Maybe on Septemb= er. > As for just status queries I think anyone could > query the status from projects and nothing special is required. Of > course we should coordinate so that many simultaneous queries are not don= e. >=20 > Regards, > Petteri >=20 The inactivity of many herds most of the time blocks the work of some other herds. Isn't council's responsibility to step up and resolve these interproject issues? It shouldn't be that difficult to ask for monthly proj= ect status updates ( A simple "Yes, we are alive but slow kthxbye" would be sufficient, just to know that somebody is actually listening to that e-mail alias after all ), discuss this on Council's monthly meetings ( Shouldn't i= t take=20 more than 20' if you already have the status updates on your Inbox ) and de= cide whether you should prune these herds or not. IMHO undertakers cannot handle the load atm but council can. Furthermore this inactivity ( as I said before ) doesn't look that good at = all to our user community . Moreover it seems like dead herds don't even bother to ask for help or "hire" more proxy maintainers to co-maintainer so= me of their ebuilds. They just stay quiet on their corner and do nothing. Since Council is supposed to be the leading entity of Gentoo I was wondering how come this issue never popped up on any of your meetings. Do you really don't see a problem here or I am just that weird and everything is running smooth= ly? --=20 Markos Chandras (hwoarang) Gentoo Linux Developer Web: http://hwoarang.silverarrow.org Key ID: 441AC410 Key FP: AAD0 8591 E3CD 445D 6411 3477 F7F7 1E8E 441A C410 --BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkxckpsACgkQ9/cejkQaxBCTLwCeO+j57hsHJcip5doXUuoG7Tvx cUEAn1Tfw2kIHCwHU/B9qIqNU1Lsmmfm =Qknv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl--